Re: FreeBSD 14: Poll armv6 deprecated or removed
- In reply to: Warner Losh : "Re: FreeBSD 14: Poll armv6 deprecated or removed"
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 19:34:30 UTC
On Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 12:23 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 10:48 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: > >> Sorry for the lag of a year, it's been a crazy time for me and this fell >> through the cracks. >> >> On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 9:37 AM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> Given that the number of available and useful armv6 boards has fallen to >>> almost zero, the time has come to look hard at armv6. >>> >>> There's a number of options. >>> >>> 1. Keep it as is. This will only happen if there's a lot more users than >>> we think (and we think there's nearly zero users of FreeBSD 13 and newer >>> that would want to run FreeBSD 14). >>> >>> 2. Stop building packages. Given it's small to non-existent user base, >>> it makes no sense to provide a package building service for it. >>> 2a. We should likely do this anyway for all stable branches since it's a >>> net negative in terms of cost/benefit analysis: lots of effort to produce, >>> very little use. >>> >>> 3. Disconnect it from universe: This will mean it will rot, though. It's >>> a necessary step in removal. >>> >>> 4. Remove support for armv6 in base entirely. This will orphan any RPiB >>> and RPi0 users out there. However, the RPiB hasn't been sold in a few >>> years, and the RPI0's connectivity is severely lacking given no SDIO >>> support. >>> >>> So, which of these steps do we do before FreeBSD 14 and which before >>> FreeBSD 15? >>> >>> My vote would be to do 1-4 for 14 including 2a. >>> >> >> After discussing this offline and distilling the responses here, on IRC, >> etc, I'd like to propose we do the following: >> >> (1) Stop building packages for armv6 entirely, on all branches. While >> there are some users, they can still use poudriere to build package sets >> themselves. Usage data suggests there's not enough demand for these >> packages. >> (2) Move armv6 to an 'EXTRA' target in make universe (eg make universe >> EXTRA_TARGETS=t). Powerpc does this today with powerpcspe since it's not >> completely supported in base. People that care can continue to build it as >> part of universe and we'll fix things that are broken, reported to us and >> have patches that don't regress other platforms. >> (3) After the stable/14 branch next May or June, we'll remove build >> support from ports (very little) and src. We'll also start to tear down >> armv6 support as we see it and are working in other areas, and expect that >> work to be done before stable/15 is branched in a predicted 2025. >> (4) Immediately stop including armv6 -current snapshots as generated by >> re@. >> (5) re@ won't create armv6 release images or artifacts for stable/14, >> 14.0, etc. Users wishing to build it can do so. >> > > Oh, and #6: Demote armv6 (but not armv7) to tier 3. It's been kinda > de-facto there for a while anyway, and this will make the signalling clear > that the runway for armv6 is running out. > As a reminder: this is only the original Raspberry Pi B and the original Pi 0 models. Supported replacements for both of these are available from Raspberry and other vendors. Warner > >> I've send email to re@ asking about #4 and #5. >> >> Warner >> >