Replace Cisco IOS/CBOS with freebsd - possible?
chris# at 1command.com
Fri Jan 30 16:55:04 PST 2009
Hello Patrick, and thank you for your reply.
Quoting Patrick Mahan <mahan at mahan.org>:
> Chris H presented these words - circa 1/30/09 7:03 AM->
>> Hello Bruce, and thank you for your reply.
>> Quoting "Bruce M. Simpson" <bms at freebsd.org>:
>>> Chris H wrote:
>>>>> I know Peter Grehan was looking at getting FreeBSD onto the Cisco
>>>>> 827 a while back.
>>>> That's good news. I'll have to see if I can get more info on that.
>>>> I just purchased a "lot" of cisco *DSL/routers on ebay, in an effort
>>>> to push this project forward (I can experiment on these with less
>>> IMHO pfSense beats the pants off OpenWRT from a user/deployment
>>> point of view, and often that is ultimately what counts.
>> I guess I'd have to agree, except if it weren't for the fact I always
>> have a zillion things going simultaneously, I wouldn't even know what
>> X was - I can't get enough VC's (virtual consoles), so I'm forced to
>> use X. But, of course for most "end users" /convenience/ is everything,
>> and most don't want to any more that how to turn it on. :)
>>> Thing is, it's "only" for x86-based PCs. I had the foresight to
>>> purchase some relatively quiet 1U boxes, but they're still too
>>> noisy to have in a room where people sleep live or socialise --
>>> they belong to the computer nook at the front of the apartment (I
>>> have a very odd C-shaped apartment).
>> Yes, the (older) cisco's CPU's were MIPS - aka - Motorola, and ran AUX.
>> I've got the latest version of AUX, which is a newer version than they
>> ran. In fact, it wouldn't be a bit surprised if I could load AIX on it.
> Yes, most of the core CPU's used by Cisco were MIPS, however, they were
> not made by Motorola
Please take no offense. But as I look inside, the CPU does, in fact
say Motorola. The documentation for it also confirms that most of
(if not all) of the 800 series also used the Motorola RISC.
> and didn't run AUX (if by AUX you mean Apples Unix
I probably stand corrected on this. :)
But I'll bet - given the CPU, it wouldn't be much of a streatch to
run either AUX, or AIX on it.
Thanks again for your response.
> Instead they ran Cisco's own IOS kernel/software.
> Patrick Mahan
>>> I believe something that could really make pfSense fly, would be
>>> a viable port to mass-market, low-power consumer hardware. Then
>>> again, old Ciscos "sort of" fit the bill.
>> Funny you bring that up. I was thinking the very same. As a matter of
>> fact I have been contemplating whipping something up myself, and doing
>> just that. While psSense initially seems appealing. The more I look into
>> it, the more I find it's laking - where a simple roll-out is concerned.
>> There isn't anything in the way of documentation. What's there is /horribly/
>> unorganized. It's scattered all over the place. What's more, the front
>> page of the wiki suggests that reading the m0n0wall documentation would
>> probabl;y be a better choice. Make no mistake, I know how daunting and
>> hectic an opensource project can be, and am grateful to /anyone/ whom is
>> willing to share the fruits of their labor at no cost. But I think I
>> could do better, that's all.
>>> Repurposing old vendor hardware is just as subject to
>>> engineering process as anything else, in some cases, the varying
>>> Bill-of-Materials may make the economic cost too high to do things
>>> on a mass scale.
>> I think I have a solution for that. I'll elaborate further when I can
>> confirm that.
>>> If people would be reasonably expected to use such a system,
>>> they should not have to understand the mechanisms, in great detail,
>>> of how firmware is loaded onto a device. This is one of the main
>>> stumbling blocks behind mass uptake -- we can't just say "fire up
>>> this tool and click this 1 button" to extend/build new network
>>> Given the current economic and ecological situation, though,
>>> devising systems which allow people to do this might be something
>>> worth investigating, and funding to that effect may be available
>>> "out there".
>> I /quite/ agree, and intend to persue just that. I've already
>> commissioned the artwork - and it looks GREAT. :)
>> I'll elaborate further as things firm up.
>> Thanks again Bruce, for taking the time to respond.
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