minder

Thu Oct 16 02:25:32 UTC 2014

  Original Message  
From: Valeri Galtsev
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:34 PM
To: Walter
Reply To: galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu
Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
Subject: Re: minder

On Wed, October 15, 2014 7:35 pm, Walter wrote:
> On 10/15/14, 8:07 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote:
>> On 2014-10-16 00:25, Walter wrote:
>> > On 10/15/14, 4:27 PM, Rolf Nielsen wrote:
>> >> On 2014-10-15 21:58, Walter wrote:
>> >>> but it's hard to know how useful these are without trying them
>> >>> all, and I'm hoping people here can guide me. Ultimately, I'm
>> >>> interested in secure, encrypted p2p operations starting with
>> >>> basic messaging, which will run on Windows-something, Mac, and
>> >>> Linux (BSD) OS's.
>> >>
>> >> And just as pear is a flavour of apple, BSD is really a flavour
>> >> of Linux... Right?
>> > I may run BSD on some servers, but most people run Linux with a
>> > desktop. And if it runs on Linux, it will likely run under BSD.
>>
>> > Or am I wrong on that? Or that most people use Linux over BSD?
>>
>> > Walter
>>
>> That wasn't my point. My point was that the form "Linux (BSD)" is
>> dangerously close to calling BSD a Linux distro, which it isn't.
> I'll try to be clearer then: I know the BSD's are not Linux distributions.
> I know FreeBSD is it's own OS. But I also know FreeBSD has a Linux
> compatibility layer, where it can run Linux programs. Maybe not all
> of them, but at least some.
>
> Desktop Operating System Market Share:
> http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0
> Windows 7
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+7&qpcustomb=0>
> 52.71%
> Market Share of Windows XP
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+XP&qpcustomb=0>
> Windows
> XP
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+XP&qpcustomb=0>
> 23.87%
> Market Share of Windows 8.1
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+8.1&qpcustomb=0>
> Windows
> 8.1
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+8.1&qpcustomb=0>
> 6.67%
> Market Share of Windows 8
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+8&qpcustomb=0>
> Windows
> 8
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+8&qpcustomb=0>
> 5.59%
> Market Share of Mac OS X 10.9
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.9&qpcustomb=0>
> Mac
> OS X 10.9
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.9&qpcustomb=0>
> 4.05%
> Market Share of Windows Vista
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+Vista&qpcustomb=0>
> Windows
> Vista
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+Vista&qpcustomb=0>
> 3.07%
> Market Share of Linux
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Linux&qpcustomb=0>
> Linux
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Linux&qpcustomb=0>
> 1.64%
> Market Share of Mac OS X 10.6
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.6&qpcustomb=0>
> Mac
> OS X 10.6
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.6&qpcustomb=0>
> 0.74%
> Market Share of Mac OS X 10.8
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.8&qpcustomb=0>
> Mac
> OS X 10.8
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.8&qpcustomb=0>
> 0.60%
> Market Share of Mac OS X 10.7
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.7&qpcustomb=0>
> Mac
> OS X 10.7
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.7&qpcustomb=0>
> 0.57%
> Market Share of Mac OS X 10.1
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.1&qpcustomb=0>
> Mac
> OS X 10.1
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.1&qpcustomb=0>
> 0.25%
> Market Share of Mac OS X 10.5
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=0>
> Mac
> OS X 10.5
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.5&qpcustomb=0>
> 0.14%
> Market Share of Windows NT
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+NT&qpcustomb=0>
> Windows
> NT
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+NT&qpcustomb=0>
> 0.05%
> Market Share of Mac OS X 10.4
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.4&qpcustomb=0>
> Mac
> OS X 10.4
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+10.4&qpcustomb=0>
> 0.04%
> Market Share of Windows 2000
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+2000&qpcustomb=0>
> Windows
> 2000
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+2000&qpcustomb=0>
> 0.02%
> Market Share of Mac OS X (no version reported)
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+%28no+version+reported%29&qpcustomb=0>
> Mac
> OS X (no version reported)
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Mac+OS+X+%28no+version+reported%29&qpcustomb=0>
> 0.01%
> Market Share of Win64
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Win64&qpcustomb=0>
> Win64
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Win64&qpcustomb=0>
> 0.00%
> Market Share of Windows 98
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+98&qpcustomb=0>
> Windows
> 98
> <http://www.netmarketshare.com/report.aspx?qprid=11&qpaf=&qpcustom=Windows+98&qpcustomb=0>
>
>
>
> Linux has 1.64% market share, but no flavor of BSD makes the list.
> I don't think saying Linux is more popular should be a major point of
> contention.
>
> So, my thinking is that if a family of an application runs on Windows,
> Mac, and Linux, it would be popular enough not to die out, and
> likely to get all the bugs ironed out. AND, if it runs on Linux, FreeBSD
> will likely run it too; that's what I meant by my poorly written words
> "Linux (BSD)."
>
> So, can someone help me with a URL to find Minder documentation, and
> can I elicit experiences with BitMessage, RetroShare, OpenDC, and the
> like.
> I'll be starting with FreeBSD and Mac but intend to add Windows and would
> like to include Linux also. Thanks.
>

You would need to exclude desktop users and look at servers specifically to draw any meaningful conclusions as consumer devices (e.g. commodity computers and phones) will skew the numbers and make the relative percentages meaningless. I purport there is *no* significant use of FreeBSD by desktop users, OS X is almost exclusively on desktops, and although there are a lot of Windows servers, the majority of licenses are on desktop computers.

Compounding the difficulty to make valid comparisons is determining the total number of FreeBSD (and Linux) installs when these OS's are freely downloaded with no record of use (and how many systems the OS was installed on), and with a large number of systems behind firewalls and/or not serving web pages to the public (a significant source of this type of metrics, in the absence of anything better, is to hit all the publically accessible web servers and analyze their responses to *infer* the OS).

Compare this to a Microsoft OS, where MS can report actual licenses issued, but also inadvertently (or on purpose) skew the total by including licenses purchased by OEMS (HP, Lenovo, Dell, etc.), and not necessarily the number in the hands of end users. 

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.....

Dale
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