HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS

Sat Jun 4 05:11:21 GMT 2005

Glad to hear it.  The system docs are designed to be readable in
lynx.  A better video card will just make wmaker run faster with
more colors and higher resolution.  Of course, unless your running
a browser like firefox the extra colors don't do anything.

Ted

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Denny White [mailto:dennyboy at cableone.net]
>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:54 PM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS
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>Learning a lot so far, like checking make options
>next time when I first install fbsd. Picking the
>programs that are multithreaded, etc. As for X,
>I've got some video cards I could try out, but
>right now, I'm pretty satisfied with wmaker. Pretty
>much setup barebones with just enough to do what
>I need to do visually in a gui. Most of the time,
>it's lynx for reading html docs pertaining to
>the system mostly. Thanks, Ted.
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>On Tue, 31 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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>>
>> Well the SCSI disks in it are probably slower seek time than
>> modern IDE.  You actually don't learn a lot from SCSI on those
>> systems since all the work is done for you - the drives are all
>> setup identically and the cage takes care of termination.  The
>> big win with SCSI on that vintage is that back then SCSI drives
>> had MTBF of 100,000 hours, IDE more like 10,000 that is why
>> everyone running servers used SCSI.
>>
>> clamav is going to run like a dog on anything slower than a 1Ghz
>> system.  What the clam scanner has to do is tremendously cpu
>> intensive.  And clam isn't multithreaded so SMP does nothing unless
>> your running multiple clamscans at the same time.
>>
>> You can probably jazz up X by turning off the integrated video
>> and adding in a good video card.  I think the video onboard were
>> really crappy Trident chipsets with small amounts of ram.  These
>> were servers after all, intended to just sit there, nobody used
>> the video for anything.
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Denny White
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:22 AM
>>> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>>> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>> Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS
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>>> Hi Ted,
>>> All I've got and can afford is right now is the old
>>> stuff I already have. I want to use the Netserver, not
>>> only to experiment with dual processors, but also because
>>> I have never worked with scsi or hardware raid before,
>>> only ide. You're exactly right too, what you said about
>>> folks like me trying to milk way too much out of old
>>> systems. It's a PII 300 dual-processor, not that the 2
>>> processors help a lot, and I do have smp in the kernel.
>>> I've watched top's output while running a clamav scan.
>>> The whole thing bogs down. X is slow too, but works.
>>> Thought about overclocking, but don't want to burn it
>>> up yet. Still okay tho, for nfs & ssh on my lan and
>>> later a firewall box too. Added this to the kernel
>>>
>>> options		EISA_SLOTS=12
>>>
>>> and rebuilt it, but it doesn't help. I'll keep on picking
>>> at it until I'm satisfied I've tweaked it all I can.
>>> Thanks for the help and advice.
>>> Denny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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>>>>
>>>> Hi Denny,
>>>>
>>>>  I used to admin a network with a number of those systems on it
>>>> but it's been years since I've dealt with one, so I've forgotten
>>>> everything from the BIOS screen.  But I did know that HP had the
>>>> manuals online, so when you said you had no manual for it, I
>>>> naturally assumed that you were unaware that HP is still supporting
>>>> them (after a fashion) and that a few minutes work would get you the
>>>> manual.  Now, if you had posted something like "I read the manual
>>>> and the option isn't in there" that would have been different.
>>>> You could try running eisaconfig on it and setting the Operating
>>>> System parameter to SCO Unix or some such, but I don't know if this
>>>> is even an option, much less if it would work.
>>>>
>>>>  I have a customer that ran one of these systems for years with
>>>> FreeBSD 4.X on it  (4.8 I think) so I know that the 4.x series will
>>>> at least run on them.  As I recall these are Pentium 200Hmz systems,
>>>> correct?  If so, FreeBSD 5.X won't get you anything more than
>>>> what you would get for 4.X.  These systems made really
>>>> nice, solid little servers in their day.  Even today they are
>>>> good for small tasks like network monitoring, etc. and if I were
>>>> in your shoes I would certainly want to use the system if I had
>>>> something for it that wasn't too taxing on the CPU.  But you
>>>> are like a lot of people who have posted on this forum in the
>>>> last few years who have tried pushing older hardware to run
>>>> FreeBSD 5.X, sometimes it works but most of the time it doesen't
>>>> seem to.  I never even bother booting 5.X on anything that isn't
>>>> at minimum a Pentium II 500Mhz system nowadays.
>>>>
>>>>  The only other suggestion I would make is to ask in a hardware
>>>> forum, or on Usenet in a hardware forum.
>>>>
>>>> Ted
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org]On Behalf Of
>Denny White
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:07 AM
>>>>> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>>>>> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>>>> Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS
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>>>>> Spent several sleepless nights searching
>>>>> hp's site before asking my question. Guess
>>>>> I refused to accept the obvious, that you
>>>>> could only reserve resources for non pnp
>>>>> devices that fbsd couldn't probe. I also
>>>>> tried acpi, since the docs say it has a
>>>>> different method of probing. See, I did
>>>>> read it. I just hoped someone else might
>>>>> know something I'd missed or didn't under-
>>>>> stand. Always try to do my research before
>>>>> posting on here. Don't always understand
>>>>> what I read, but I keep reading. And I don't
>>>>> post questions like "Help", or "I can't
>>>>> install FreeBSD, what'll I do"? But hey,
>>>>> thanks for being there, old sport.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org]On Behalf Of
>>> Denny White
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:40 PM
>>>>>>> To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>>>>>> Subject: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS
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>>>>>>> Okay, the following definitely shows the
>>>>>>> BIOS in this old Netserver is PNP. I ran
>>>>>>> biosdecode on it and got this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  	Slot Entry 10: ID 00:0d, on-board
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone tell me how to disable PNP in this
>>>>>>> particular computer? I have no manual on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Resource.jsp?l
>>>> ocale=en_U
>>>>> S&taskId=115&prodSeriesId=50440&prodTypeId=15351
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> RTFM first, then come here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted
>>>>>
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