HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS

Fri Jun 3 05:54:25 GMT 2005

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Learning a lot so far, like checking make options
next time when I first install fbsd. Picking the
programs that are multithreaded, etc. As for X,
I've got some video cards I could try out, but
right now, I'm pretty satisfied with wmaker. Pretty
much setup barebones with just enough to do what
I need to do visually in a gui. Most of the time,
it's lynx for reading html docs pertaining to
the system mostly. Thanks, Ted.

On Tue, 31 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

>
> Well the SCSI disks in it are probably slower seek time than
> modern IDE.  You actually don't learn a lot from SCSI on those
> systems since all the work is done for you - the drives are all
> setup identically and the cage takes care of termination.  The
> big win with SCSI on that vintage is that back then SCSI drives
> had MTBF of 100,000 hours, IDE more like 10,000 that is why
> everyone running servers used SCSI.
>
> clamav is going to run like a dog on anything slower than a 1Ghz
> system.  What the clam scanner has to do is tremendously cpu
> intensive.  And clam isn't multithreaded so SMP does nothing unless
> your running multiple clamscans at the same time.
>
> You can probably jazz up X by turning off the integrated video
> and adding in a good video card.  I think the video onboard were
> really crappy Trident chipsets with small amounts of ram.  These
> were servers after all, intended to just sit there, nobody used
> the video for anything.
>
> Ted
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Denny White
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 4:22 AM
>> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>> Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS
>>
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>> Hi Ted,
>> All I've got and can afford is right now is the old
>> stuff I already have. I want to use the Netserver, not
>> only to experiment with dual processors, but also because
>> I have never worked with scsi or hardware raid before,
>> only ide. You're exactly right too, what you said about
>> folks like me trying to milk way too much out of old
>> systems. It's a PII 300 dual-processor, not that the 2
>> processors help a lot, and I do have smp in the kernel.
>> I've watched top's output while running a clamav scan.
>> The whole thing bogs down. X is slow too, but works.
>> Thought about overclocking, but don't want to burn it
>> up yet. Still okay tho, for nfs & ssh on my lan and
>> later a firewall box too. Added this to the kernel
>>
>> options		EISA_SLOTS=12
>>
>> and rebuilt it, but it doesn't help. I'll keep on picking
>> at it until I'm satisfied I've tweaked it all I can.
>> Thanks for the help and advice.
>> Denny
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 30 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
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>>>
>>> Hi Denny,
>>>
>>>  I used to admin a network with a number of those systems on it
>>> but it's been years since I've dealt with one, so I've forgotten
>>> everything from the BIOS screen.  But I did know that HP had the
>>> manuals online, so when you said you had no manual for it, I
>>> naturally assumed that you were unaware that HP is still supporting
>>> them (after a fashion) and that a few minutes work would get you the
>>> manual.  Now, if you had posted something like "I read the manual
>>> and the option isn't in there" that would have been different.
>>> You could try running eisaconfig on it and setting the Operating
>>> System parameter to SCO Unix or some such, but I don't know if this
>>> is even an option, much less if it would work.
>>>
>>>  I have a customer that ran one of these systems for years with
>>> FreeBSD 4.X on it  (4.8 I think) so I know that the 4.x series will
>>> at least run on them.  As I recall these are Pentium 200Hmz systems,
>>> correct?  If so, FreeBSD 5.X won't get you anything more than
>>> what you would get for 4.X.  These systems made really
>>> nice, solid little servers in their day.  Even today they are
>>> good for small tasks like network monitoring, etc. and if I were
>>> in your shoes I would certainly want to use the system if I had
>>> something for it that wasn't too taxing on the CPU.  But you
>>> are like a lot of people who have posted on this forum in the
>>> last few years who have tried pushing older hardware to run
>>> FreeBSD 5.X, sometimes it works but most of the time it doesen't
>>> seem to.  I never even bother booting 5.X on anything that isn't
>>> at minimum a Pentium II 500Mhz system nowadays.
>>>
>>>  The only other suggestion I would make is to ask in a hardware
>>> forum, or on Usenet in a hardware forum.
>>>
>>> Ted
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Denny White
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:07 AM
>>>> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>>>> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>>> Subject: RE: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS
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>>>> Spent several sleepless nights searching
>>>> hp's site before asking my question. Guess
>>>> I refused to accept the obvious, that you
>>>> could only reserve resources for non pnp
>>>> devices that fbsd couldn't probe. I also
>>>> tried acpi, since the docs say it has a
>>>> different method of probing. See, I did
>>>> read it. I just hoped someone else might
>>>> know something I'd missed or didn't under-
>>>> stand. Always try to do my research before
>>>> posting on here. Don't always understand
>>>> what I read, but I keep reading. And I don't
>>>> post questions like "Help", or "I can't
>>>> install FreeBSD, what'll I do"? But hey,
>>>> thanks for being there, old sport.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 29 May 2005, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org]On Behalf Of
>> Denny White
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 3:40 PM
>>>>>> To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>>>>> Subject: HP LC II Netserver PNP BIOS
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Okay, the following definitely shows the
>>>>>> BIOS in this old Netserver is PNP. I ran
>>>>>> biosdecode on it and got this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  	Slot Entry 10: ID 00:0d, on-board
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone tell me how to disable PNP in this
>>>>>> particular computer? I have no manual on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Resource.jsp?l
>>> ocale=en_U
>>>> S&taskId=115&prodSeriesId=50440&prodTypeId=15351
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> RTFM first, then come here.
>>>>
>>>> Ted
>>>>
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