[RFC] New category proposal, i18n

[Alexey Shuvaev]

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:13:48AM -0400, Thomas Abthorpe wrote:
> 2009/6/23 Chris Rees <utisoft at googlemail.com>:
> > 2009/6/23 Doug Barton <dougb at freebsd.org>:
> >> Thomas Abthorpe wrote:
> >>> To have localization, you need internationalization, so from this, I stand by
> >>> my original proposal of i18n.
> >>
> >> I have no objection to your reasoning, but continue to object to the
> >> specific string. If you're going to go down this road then
> >> "internationalization" would be the better choice.
> >>
> >> Doug
> >>
> >
> > I would agree with Doug. We're in the days of tab-completion, and
> > typing 'in<TAB>' will suffice to get there. I for one *hate* numbers
> > in paths; it takes one's hand off the letters. Also, I had to look up
> > i18n to find out what it was... Categories should be immediately
> > descriptive.
> >
Hard to achive... x11-wm, x11-fm, audio vs. multimedia, ...

> > Also, the French have to use Shift to type numbers; it's even more of
> > a pain for them!
> >
Unrelated problem.

head -50 test.c
kill -s KILL 46129
man 3 printf
mount /dev/da0a mnt/

I think you can't avoid using numbers in command-line.
BTW, numbers are much better than spaces or localized characters:
'Мои документы' ( == 'My Documents')

> > Chris
> >
> >
> 
> You have struck a chord with numbers in the path, reminds me of the
> pre-Xorg days with /usr/X11R6, not sure what I disliked more, the
> capital letters or the numbers!
> 
> I hereby relent, and yield to the logic of the arguments placed before
> me, I now agree that using internationalization for the category name
> is a better idea.
> 
Well, if the new category supposed to be real,
I don't like 'internationalization' name.
The reason? Very simple.
For now I get:

~> ls /usr/ports/
CHANGES       archivers     finance       misc          shells
COPYRIGHT     astro         french        multimedia    sysutils
GIDs          audio         ftp           net           textproc
INDEX-8       benchmarks    games         net-im        ukrainian
KNOBS         biology       german        net-mgmt      vietnamese
LEGAL         cad           graphics      net-p2p       www
MOVED         chinese       hebrew        news          x11
Makefile      comms         hungarian     packages      x11-clocks
Mk            converters    irc           palm          x11-drivers
README        databases     japanese      polish        x11-fm
Templates     deskutils     java          ports-mgmt    x11-fonts
Tools         devel         korean        portuguese    x11-servers
UIDs          distfiles     lang          print         x11-themes
UPDATING      dns           mail          russian       x11-toolkits
accessibility editors       math          science       x11-wm
arabic        emulators     mbone         security

which fits fine in one 80x25 terminal window.
With the new category:

~> ls /usr/ports/
CHANGES              devel                net-p2p
COPYRIGHT            distfiles            news
GIDs                 dns                  packages
INDEX-8              editors              palm
KNOBS                emulators            polish
LEGAL                finance              ports-mgmt
MOVED                french               portuguese
Makefile             ftp                  print
Mk                   games                russian
README               german               science
Templates            graphics             security
Tools                hebrew               shells
UIDs                 hungarian            sysutils
UPDATING             internationalization textproc
accessibility        irc                  ukrainian
arabic               japanese             vietnamese
archivers            java                 www
astro                korean               x11
audio                lang                 x11-clocks
benchmarks           mail                 x11-drivers
biology              math                 x11-fm
cad                  mbone                x11-fonts
chinese              misc                 x11-servers
comms                multimedia           x11-themes
converters           net                  x11-toolkits
databases            net-im               x11-wm
deskutils            net-mgmt

which is too long.
You need to scroll to see the whole content of the folder.



About the topic: from
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2009-June/055424.html

> It is my intention for ports that do localization related work
> would remain in their existing category, and if appropriate
> we could add the new name to CATEGORIES.

from:
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2009-June/055463.html

> To paraphrase a couple of key points
>
> "Localization refers to the adaptation of a product, application
> or document content to meet the language, cultural and other requirements
> of a specific target market (a "locale")."
>
> ...
>
> "Internationalization is the design and development of a product,
> application or document content that enables easy localization
> for target audiences that vary in culture, region, or language."
>
> To have localization, you need internationalization, so from this,
> I stand by my original proposal of i18n.

>From the above my conclusion is, if gettext stays in devel
and kde3-i18n-ca goes to new category, this new category is
for *localized* versions of different applications but not for tools
that help doing *internationalization*.

In any case (I mean the name of the new category), given that some
ports will go into it and some will stay in their current categories
I think the new category should be virtual, not real.

0.02$,
Alexey.