vnet jail and ipfw/nat on host - keep-state problem?

Peter Toth peter.toth198 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 12 20:56:26 UTC 2014


Unfortunately you don't even grasp what the meaning of the words like:
shame, truth, childish or professional is - and that's the bottom line
mate.




On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Fbsd8 <fbsd8 at a1poweruser.com> wrote:

> Sham on you Peter Toth.
> Slander and calling names about someone who does not agree with you is
> childish and something I would expect from a 10 year old.
>
> This foolish post only shows how unprofessional your behavior is.
> Sham on you.
>
> Every thing stated by me is the truth and verified by the outstanding
> pr's. If you can't trust the PR system as credible, then what can you trust.
>
> I don't disagree that you may have a working vnet/vimage configuration
> running on your hobby host system or that your foolishly exposing your
> hobby host system to public network attack and host system takeover. There
> is a very big difference between software that does not crash when started
> and software that performs within its design parameters. I think just
> because your configuration does not crash means to you its working as
> expected. This is foolish in light of all the negative warnings about
> vimage.
>
> vimage is experimental and nothing you say can change that fact. Readers
> don't believe me or Peter Toth and review the listed pr numbers and do your
> own search of bugzilla on keyword vnet or vimage and make up your own mind.
>
>
> Peter Toth wrote:
>
>> Dear Joe Barbish (alias  fbsd8 at a1poweruser.com <mailto:
>> fbsd8 at a1poweruser.com>),
>>
>>
>> When you going to stop trolling the FreeBSD mailing list and spread
>> disinformation?
>> People come to this place to learn, share information, help out other
>> folks and most importantly to have a constructive debate! (obviously some
>> would rather divert this effort)
>>
>> The PR number's mentioned are mostly outdated from the 8.x and 9.x series
>> - some of them are completely irrelevant (like ACPI) or for a i386 system.
>> Beyond this I am categorically refusing to waste any energy and time on
>> answering any trolling/diversion attempts by Joe Barbish.
>>
>> I am not going to burn time on dissecting each PR one-by-one but rather
>> share my experience with VNET.
>>
>> Over the last year and a half have deployed numerous production systems
>> based on amd64 10-RELEASE with VNET enabled and PF running on the host.
>> Encountered 0 instability issues! Details on how to do this are here:
>> http://iocage.readthedocs.org/en/latest/real-world.html
>>
>> As I mentioned before IPFW works in a jail and PF only works on the host.
>>
>> Back to the original issue though, Peter could you please share your IPFW
>> config with me (maybe just send it directly to me), would be very
>> interested to get it going in my lab setup and add a howto page to share
>> this with others.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Fbsd8 <fbsd8 at a1poweruser.com <mailto:
>> fbsd8 at a1poweruser.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Peter Toth wrote:
>>
>>         On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 1:33 AM, Fbsd8 <fbsd8 at a1poweruser.com
>>         <mailto:fbsd8 at a1poweruser.com> <mailto:fbsd8 at a1poweruser.com
>>
>>         <mailto:fbsd8 at a1poweruser.com>>__> wrote:
>>
>>             Peter Toth wrote:
>>
>>                 Have not used natd with IPFW much as always preferred PF
>>         to do
>>                 everything
>>                 on the host.
>>
>>                 I have only a wild guess - the "me" keyword in IPFW is
>>                 substituted only to
>>                 the host's IPs known to itself.
>>                 The host's IPFW firewall most likely doesn't know
>>         anything about IPs
>>                 assigned to vnet interfaces inside the jail.
>>
>>                 Vnet jails behave more like separate physical hosts.
>>
>>                 Internet ---> [host] ------- (10.0.10.0 LAN) ------>
>>         [vnet jail]
>>
>>                 The PF issue inside a jail is a separate problem, PF is
>>         not fully
>>                 VIMAGE/VNET aware as far as I know.
>>
>>                 Can someone comment on these or correct me?
>>
>>                 P
>>
>>
>>
>>                 On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Peter Ross
>>                 <Peter.Ross at alumni.tu-berlin.____de
>>                 <mailto:Peter.Ross at alumni.tu-__berlin.de
>>
>>         <mailto:Peter.Ross at alumni.tu-berlin.de>>>
>>
>>                 wrote:
>>
>>                     On Thu, 10 Jul 2014, Peter Toth wrote:
>>
>>                      Hi Peter,
>>
>>                         Try to make these changes:
>>
>>                         net.inet.ip.forwarding=1       # Enable IP
>>         forwarding
>>                         between interfaces
>>                         net.link.bridge.pfil_onlyip=0  # Only pass IP
>>         packets
>>                         when pfil is enabled
>>                         net.link.bridge.pfil_bridge=0  # Packet filter
>>         on the
>>                         bridge interface
>>                         net.link.bridge.pfil_member=0  # Packet filter
>>         on the
>>                         member interface
>>
>>                         You can find some info
>>                         here
>>                                http://iocage.readthedocs.org/
>> ____en/latest/help-no-internet.____html
>>         <http://iocage.readthedocs.org/__en/latest/help-no-
>> internet.__html>
>>
>>                                <http://iocage.readthedocs.__
>> org/en/latest/help-no-__internet.html
>>
>>         <http://iocage.readthedocs.org/en/latest/help-no-internet.html>>
>>
>>                         I've had these issues before with PF and IPFW, by
>>                         default these will be
>>                         filtering on your bridge and member interfaces.
>>
>>                     Thanks. It did not change anything.
>>
>>                     Now, inside_ the jail I run "ipfw allow ip from any
>>         to any".
>>
>>                     This on the host system:
>>
>>                     01000 check-state
>>                     01100 allow tcp from any to any established
>>                     01200 allow ip from any to any frag
>>                     00100 divert 8668 ip4 from any to any via age0
>>                     03100 allow udp from any to 10.0.10.1 dst-port 53
>>         keep-state
>>                     03200 allow udp from any to me dst-port 53 keep-state
>>
>>                     (with natd redirecting "redirect_port udp
>>         10.0.10.1:53 <http://10.0.10.1:53>
>>                     <http://10.0.10.1:53> external.ip:53")
>>
>>
>>                     If I add
>>
>>                     03300 allow udp from me 53 to any
>>
>>                     it works..
>>
>>                     So it makes me think check-state isn't usable -
>> because
>>
>>                     03200 allow udp from any to me dst-port 53 keep-state
>>
>>                     should cover the returning packets.
>>
>>                     I played with your parameters but it did not help. But
>>                     thanks for the idea.
>>
>>                     Here again the setup:
>>
>>                     Internet->age0(host interface with natd and external
>> IP)
>>                     ->bridge10(10.0.10.254)->____epair1a
>>
>>
>>                     ->epair1b(10.0.10.1 in bind vnet jail)
>>
>>                     I wonder what kind of restrictions exist with vnet..
>>         it does
>>                     not seem to
>>                     work _exactly_ as a "real" network stack (the issues
>>         with pf
>>                     inside the
>>                     jail let me think of it too)
>>
>>                     Did I find a restriction, a bug - or just that I've
>>         got it
>>                     wrong?
>>
>>                     Regards
>>                     Peter
>>
>>
>>             Any firewall function that runs in the kernel will not
>> function
>>             inside of a vnet/vimage jail.
>>
>>
>>
>>         This sounds a bit vague, can you please explain in more detail
>>         what you meant by this?
>>
>>         IPFW works inside a vnet jail - You can manage per jail firewall
>>         instances without any issues.
>>
>>         The only firewall which cannot function inside a jail (yet) is PF.
>>
>>         P
>>
>>
>>
>>     You are incorrect.
>>     Here is a list of some of the vnet/vimage outstanding PR's
>>
>>     143808, 147950, 148155, 152148, 160496, 160541, 161094, 164763,
>>     165252, 176112, 176929, 178480, 178482, 179264, 182350, 185092,
>>     188010, 191468
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