Removing CVS from HEAD

[Warner Losh]

[picking a random message in this thread]

I think that we've reached the point in this thread that "no clear consensus exists for the change, therefore the status quo should remain the case."

All these points and counter points clearly show there's non consensus, so this should be tabled.

Warner


On Sep 14, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:

>> On 2012-Sep-13 14:49:20 +0200, "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs at berklix.com> wrote:
>>> =3D?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=3DC3=3DB8rgrav?=3D wrote:
>>>> Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box?
>> 
>> I notice you've carefully avoided answering this.
> 
> I included all from DES to be polite, to make sure I didn't take DES out of
> context, despite he took me out context. DES's question
> 	"Which other Unices provide CVS out of the box?"
> while good, is one I have no further (*) time for.  You in the
> remove CVS camp should have know or researched it before you proposed
> to remove CVS.
> 
> 
>>> DES hyperbole discarded, CVS would be just one more issue just for some.
>> 
>> The hyperbole here is coming from you, not des at .
> 
> False. DES twisted context, & exagerated between these
> 
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-September/013057.html
> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-arch/2012-September/013058.html
> 
> 
> (*) I had started researching other Unixes with CVS before DES asked,
> & I found refs, but agression kills motivation & I must travel.
> You in the remove CVS camp proposed change; Do your own search work.
> 
> 
>>> Some might agressively pitch for a short timescale, but if CVS goes,
>>> FreeBSD will hopefuly look beyond just its developers' group, remember its
>>> users, & consider a schedule similar to one a OS software manager would.
>> 
>> CVS is a development tool and the version in FreeBSD base was intended
>> for FreeBSD development.  People using CVS for other purposes are
>> unlikely to be best served by using an unmaintained and modified variant
>> of an obsolete version of CVS.
> 
> OK,  Would have been good mentioned earlier, eg when DES was
> flattening someone's idea to look at upgrading CVS to http://www.OpenCVS.org.
> 
>> As for the schedule, as has been repeatedly stated, this change will
> only affect 10.x and later.  If this proposal goes ahead, the first
>> FreeBSD release to not have CVS in the base will be 10.0-RELEASE -
>> which (IMHO) is unlikely to appear for another year.  And 9.x will
>> continue to include CVS in the base and should be supported for at
>> least 2 years after 10.0-RELEASE comes out.  Thus, anyone currently
>> relying on the base CVS has at least 3 years to plan their transition.
> 
> OK, May be sufficient for many tracking FreeBSD.
> How many Unixes beyond may find your proposed change a nuisance, is unknown.
> 
> Cheers,
> Julian
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