svn commit: r281129 - head/etc

[Slawa Olhovchenkov]

On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 12:29:42PM +0300, Gleb Smirnoff wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 02:06:41AM -0700, Stanislav Sedov wrote:
> S> > To be fair, this is not exactly true.  To my knowledge no mainstream
> S> > operating systems except Linux employ UTF-8 at the moment:
> S> > * Windows is still UTF-16 based
> S> > * Mac OS X uses it's own version of UTF-8 (aka UTF-8-MAC)
> S> >  which is the cause of constant pain when moving files between
> S> >  OS X and FreeBSD.
> S> 
> S> Sorry, I just realized that I might have replied to something
> S> that you didn't actually say.  Ignore that part of my email
> S> if you didn't mean compatibility with other operating systems.
> S> 
> S> As for the change, my concern is basically the following.  The
> S> only effect of this commit is that all the users with the
> S> 'russian' login class will be automatically switched from KOI8
> S> to UTF8 as a part of the next update.  Do we actually want
> S> this to happen?
> 
> Yes, we do. And it is long overdue.
> 
> Today vast majority of Russian users do this change manually.
> Minority stays with KOI8-R. Even Slawa mentions that he is
> migrating machines.

And migrating not be done at this year. And migrating give troubles
for me in unpredicable time.
But I dissalow if you force me to migrate.
I see you need to force me.
This is bad.

> Yes, this has impact on people doing upgrade. But before we
> have impact on people doing fresh install. Since today most
> Russian users already did this change manually, we expect impact
> to be small.

Why you don't want add additional login class and give choise at
install time for user login class?

> Let me enumerate problems for those who stay with KOI8-R:
> 
> If your terminal is in KOI8:
> - Emails with umlaut in From: are mangled. You compose reply,
>   you put "?" char into person's name.



> - Emails from Japanese and Chinese people are even worse. The
>   entire name is ??????.

All hieroglyph for me like ?. I am don't distinguish his.

> If your filesystem is in KOI8:

Filesystem don't have encoding. Except zfs with utf8only=yes property.

> - Email attachments you save have names mangled.

Wrong

> - Many Gnome based applications crash.

Wrong

> - You can't read file names from downloaded torrents with Russian

You can read with small trick.

>   file names inside, neither you can create your own torrent shares
>   that would be compatible with others.

Wrong. You can put file named in any encodings to file system.

> Those who use FreeBSD as desktop, except very small minority,
> switched to UTF-8.