svn commit: r259016 - in head/sys: conf dev/drm2 dev/drm2/i915 dev/drm2/radeon dev/fb dev/vt kern modules/drm2/i915kms modules/drm2/radeonkms sparc64/sparc64 sys teken

[Andreas Tobler]

On 18.12.13 01:24, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:21:56AM +0200, Aleksandr Rybalko wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 23:49:38 +0100
>> Andreas Tobler <andreast at FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10.12.13 14:43, Tijl Coosemans wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:31:44 +0200 Aleksandr Rybalko wrote:
>>>>> That keyboards have no Shift key for that? :)
>>>>> I will be glad to apply your changes, but I have to know how it
>>>>> should be controlled.
>>>>>
>>>>> RU and UA PC keyboards have same 3 symbols '2', '"', '@'
>>>>> To get '2' i have to press only '2'
>>>>> To get '@' I have to press Shift+'2'
>>>>> To get '"' I have to switch to UA or RU and press Shift+'2'
>>>>>
>>>>> Ahh, or use some called Third-Level (IIRC) in Xorg terms. Temporary
>>>>> lang switch. Which commonly mapped to one of Alt. Right?
>>>>> So R-Alt+Shift+'2'?
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr
>>>
>>> Thanks Tijl!
>>>
>>> To get the @ I have to press AltGr + '2'.
>>> There are combinations where I have to press AltGr+Shift. e.g to get
>>> the 'broken bar, ¦', AltGr+Shift+'7'.
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>
>> Hello Andreas and Tijl!
>>
>> Since I think not a whole world have AltGr key (read as "not most
>> keyboards on the Earth") :)
>> Think it is OK to use R.Alt as an Alt by default, and enable AltGr with
>> sysctl kern.vt.enable_altgr.
>>
> I tend to disagree with you, lots of keyboards mapping are concerned here.

Hi Aleksandr,

It is at least a step forward. But I do not like it.
Don't get me wrong, I think we have to be very careful when it comes to
keyboard mapping. A status quo should be kept, the one from syscons.

Looking back the past 20 years of Linux and FreeBSD experience I always
had to touch the keyboards section to make it fit my needs. A nasty
hurdle, in the beginning it was ok, but after the sixth time adjusting
the native language keyboard it gets boring. And I guess it is not only me.

In the meantime I would not need a swiss keyboard anymore, I more or
less know the native mapping out of my mind :)

I do not yet understand the fine keyboard details from syscons but I
think we have to keep and adapt them to vt.

My two Rp.

Thanks for your time!
Andreas