svn commit: r228143 - in head: . share/mk tools/build/options

[Garrett Cooper]

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Steve Kargl
<sgk at troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 06:45:07PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote:
>> On 12/20/2011 18:29, Ben Kaduk wrote:
>> > 2011/12/20 Doug Barton <dougb at freebsd.org>:
>> >> On 12/20/2011 06:08, John Baldwin wrote:
>> >>> The defaults for src.conf should be for the common case
>> >>
>> >> Agreed. The problem we seem to be missing here is that developers are
>> >> not even statistically significant in measuring "the common case."
>> >
>> > "The common case" of what, though?  "People using src.conf", or
>> > "people rebuilding world", or just "people using FreeBSD"?
>>
>> The latter of course. The overwhelming majority of FreeBSD users will
>> never use profiled libs, and in fact don't even know what they are. It's
>> just useless space being taken up on every install. The defaults should
>> be sensible for our users.
>
> OK, Doug, we get it! You don't like profiled libraries.
> You don't use them, and by extension the 'common user'
> does not use them.

    The point that I was trying to drive home (that I think Doug is as well) is:
- How many FreeBSD users are developers/performance/test engineers who
care about this stuff being compiled into the base system?
- How many developers use gprof / profiled libraries?
- How many developers reroll their world by turning on WITH_PROFILE ?
- How often do you use gprof to profile binaries?
    Smart defaults and better tuning are what we ultimately should be
striving for, because again, WITH_PROFILE is a developer and not a
end-user / administrator convenience. Those are the individuals we
should be tailoring FreeBSD for -- not developers.
Thanks,
-Garrett