svn commit: r186520 - head/sys/dev/puc

Bruce Evans brde at
Thu Jan 1 12:29:58 UTC 2009

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009, M. Warner Losh wrote:

> In message: <495B406F.2040305 at>
>            Roman Kurakin <rik at> writes:
> : Probably we need to implement AUTODETECT_RCLK. I've had the patch,
> : but it worked only for modules, cause there was no working timers while the
> : cards probe time if the driver was compiled in. I've planned to move
> : detection
> : code to the first open and do some cleanup after the detection, but
> : didn't do
> : that.
> I'd like to see that.  I think we can defer the detection of RCLK to
> later.  How accurate is this, btw?  How dependent on timing of
> interrupts is it?

This cannot work in the following cases:
- serial consoles.  The device is then used as a low-level console
   long before the first open and in a context where timer interrupts
   are unavailable even if timers are initialized.  However, at least
   on i386's, the main (i8254) timer is initialized just before
   console initialization (which is just before the first possible use
   of a console (for booting with -d)), to support the syscons driver
   using DELAY() which requires the timer to be initialized.  DELAY()
   is probably sufficient for detecting RCLK if it is possible to
   detect RCLK at all (set the speed low enough so that polling every
   millisecond after DELAY(1000) is good enough).
- emulated hardware.  The emulation only needs to emulate the specified
   speed on the external interface.  It would take an unreasonably high
   quality emulation to get the timing right in all cases, especially
   for the loopback case which should be used here.  In the loopback
   case, the external interface hardware would not even be used, except
   part of the unreasonably high quality implementation would involve
   using the external interface to the extent of telling it to do nothing
   except return its timing signals so that the looped back input arrives
   at the same time as it would on the other side of the external interface
   if it weren't looped back.


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