svn commit: r326554 - in head: . usr.bin/spongeusr.bin/sponge/tests usr.bin/tee
Cy Schubert
Cy.Schubert at komquats.com
Wed Dec 6 04:20:01 UTC 2017
Thanks.
It doesn't matter anyway FreeBSD sed -i '' == gsed -i <with no argument>.
--
Cheers,
Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com>
FreeBSD UNIX: <cy at FreeBSD.org> Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org
The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
In message <4FE900E7-10E6-4909-BB4A-C5E6F83FF515 at FreeBSD.org>, Pedro
Giffuni wr
ites:
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> Hello;
>
> > On Dec 5, 2017, at 12:17, Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert at komquats.com> =
> wrote:
> >=20
> > What side effects? Can you give one or two examples, please?
> >=20
>
> Sorry, I forgot the details .. but I am pretty sure there was exp-run =
> and breakage in the ports tree.
>
> Pedro.
>
> > ---
> > Sent using a tiny phone keyboard.
> > Apologies for any typos and autocorrect.
> > This old phone only supports top post. Apologies.
> >=20
> > Cy Schubert
> > <Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com> or <cy at freebsd.org>
> > The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
> > ---
> > From: Pedro Giffuni
> > Sent: 05/12/2017 08:40
> > To: Cy Schubert; Devin Teske; Hans Petter Selasky
> > Cc: rgrimes at freebsd.org; cem at freebsd.org; Eitan Adler; src-committers; =
> svn-src-all at freebsd.org; svn-src-head at freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: svn commit: r326554 - in head: . =
> usr.bin/spongeusr.bin/sponge/tests usr.bin/tee
> >=20
> >=20
> > On 05/12/2017 11:29, Cy Schubert wrote:
> >> Why not update sed to create the backup file only if the suffix is =
> given to -i, like gnu sed does.
> >>=20
> >=20
> > No, no .. there have been several failed attempts at that that cause =
> nasty side effects.
> > It is also a rather non-standardish thing to do.
> >=20
> > Pedro.
> >=20
> >> ---
> >> Sent using a tiny phone keyboard.
> >> Apologies for any typos and autocorrect.
> >> This old phone only supports top post. Apologies.
> >>=20
> >> Cy Schubert
> >> <Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com> <mailto:Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com> or =
> <cy at freebsd.org> <mailto:cy at freebsd.org>
> >> The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.
> >> ---
> >> From: Devin Teske
> >> Sent: 05/12/2017 07:35
> >> To: Hans Petter Selasky
> >> Cc: rgrimes at freebsd.org <mailto:rgrimes at freebsd.org>; cem at freebsd.org =
> <mailto:cem at freebsd.org>; Eitan Adler; src-committers; =
> svn-src-all at freebsd.org <mailto:svn-src-all at freebsd.org>; =
> svn-src-head at freebsd.org <mailto:svn-src-head at freebsd.org>
> >> Subject: Re: svn commit: r326554 - in head: . usr.bin/sponge =
> usr.bin/sponge/tests usr.bin/tee
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> > On Dec 5, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Hans Petter Selasky <hps at selasky.org> =
> <mailto:hps at selasky.org> wrote:
> >> >=20
> >> >> On 12/05/17 13:58, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:
> >> >> Further more, why does freebsd need this in base?
> >> >=20
> >> > Hi,
> >> >=20
> >> > I think this is useful. It could replace the "-i " (intermediate) =
> option for "sed" for example. It avoids creating temporary files when =
> filtering files, right?
> >> >=20
> >> > --HPS
> >> >=20
> >>=20
> >> Wth is wrong with:
> >>=20
> >> data=3D$( sed -e '...' somefile ) &&
> >> =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=
> =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD echo "$data" > =
> somefile
> >>=20
> >> or
> >>=20
> >> set -e
> >> data=3D...
> >> echo "$data" > ...
> >>=20
> >> or
> >>=20
> >> exec 3<<EOF
> >> $( ... )
> >> EOF
> >> cat > ... <&3
> >>=20
> >> or
> >>=20
> >> (I digress)
> >>=20
> >> Infinite variations, but the gist is that sponge looks to be trying =
> to help sh(1)/similar when help is unneeded.
> >>=20
> >> Why buffer data into memory via fork-exec-pipe to sponge when you can =
> buffer to native namespace without pipe to sponge?
> >>=20
> >> Am I missing something? Why do we need sponge(1)?
> >> --=20
> >> Devin
> >>=20
> >=20
>
>
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> <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
> charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
> -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" =
> class=3D"">Hello;<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
> type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec 5, 2017, at 12:17, Cy =
> Schubert <<a href=3D"mailto:Cy.Schubert at komquats.com" =
> class=3D"">Cy.Schubert at komquats.com</a>> wrote:</div><br =
> class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">
> <meta content=3D"text/html;=0D
> charset=3Dwindows-1252" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" class=3D"">
> =20
> <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000" class=3D""><div =
> class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: =
> 11pt;" class=3D"">What side effects? Can you give one or two examples, =
> please?<br class=3D""><br =
> class=3D""></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
> class=3D""></div>Sorry, I forgot the details .. but I am pretty sure =
> there was exp-run and breakage in the ports tree.</div><div><br =
> class=3D""></div><div>Pedro.</div><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
> type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" =
> text=3D"#000000" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div style=3D"font-family: =
> Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=3D"">---<br class=3D"">Sent =
> using a tiny phone keyboard.<br class=3D"">Apologies for any typos and =
> autocorrect.<br class=3D"">This old phone only supports top post. =
> Apologies.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Cy Schubert<br class=3D""><<a =
> href=3D"mailto:Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com" =
> class=3D"">Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com</a>> or <<a =
> href=3D"mailto:cy at freebsd.org" class=3D"">cy at freebsd.org</a>><br =
> class=3D"">The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.<br =
> class=3D"">---<br class=3D""></div></div><hr class=3D""><span =
> style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: =
> bold;" class=3D"">From: </span><span style=3D"font-family: =
> Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D"">Pedro Giffuni</span><br =
> class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: =
> 10pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D"">Sent: </span><span =
> style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" =
> class=3D"">05/12/2017 08:40</span><br class=3D""><span =
> style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: =
> bold;" class=3D"">To: </span><span style=3D"font-family: =
> Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D"">Cy Schubert; Devin =
> Teske; Hans Petter Selasky</span><br class=3D""><span =
> style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: =
> bold;" class=3D"">Cc: </span><span style=3D"font-family: =
> Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D""><a =
> href=3D"mailto:rgrimes at freebsd.org" class=3D"">rgrimes at freebsd.org</a>; =
> <a href=3D"mailto:cem at freebsd.org" class=3D"">cem at freebsd.org</a>; Eitan =
> Adler; src-committers; <a href=3D"mailto:svn-src-all at freebsd.org" =
> class=3D"">svn-src-all at freebsd.org</a>; <a =
> href=3D"mailto:svn-src-head at freebsd.org" =
> class=3D"">svn-src-head at freebsd.org</a></span><br class=3D""><span =
> style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: =
> bold;" class=3D"">Subject: </span><span style=3D"font-family: =
> Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D"">Re: svn commit: r326554 =
> - in head: . usr.bin/spongeusr.bin/sponge/tests usr.bin/tee</span><br =
> class=3D""><br class=3D""><p class=3D""><br class=3D"">
> </p>
> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 05/12/2017 11:29, Cy Schubert =
> wrote:<br class=3D"">
> </div>
> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:20171205162926.9F16C1DD at spqr.komquats.com" =
> type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
> =20
> <div class=3D"">
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" =
> class=3D"">Why
> not update sed to create the backup file only if the suffix is
> given to -i, like gnu sed does.<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> </div>
> </div>
> </blockquote>
> <br class=3D"">
> No, no .. there have been several failed attempts at that that cause
> nasty side effects.<br class=3D"">
> It is also a rather non-standardish thing to do.<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> Pedro.<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:20171205162926.9F16C1DD at spqr.komquats.com" =
> type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
> <div class=3D"">
> <div style=3D"font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" =
> class=3D"">---<br class=3D"">
> Sent using a tiny phone keyboard.<br class=3D"">
> Apologies for any typos and autocorrect.<br class=3D"">
> This old phone only supports top post. Apologies.<br class=3D"">=
>
> <br class=3D"">
> Cy Schubert<br class=3D"">
> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
> href=3D"mailto:Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com"><Cy.Schubert at cschubert.com>=
> ;</a> or <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
> href=3D"mailto:cy at freebsd.org"><cy at freebsd.org></a><br class=3D"">
> The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.<br =
> class=3D"">
> ---<br class=3D"">
> </div>
> </div>
> <hr class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; =
> font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;" class=3D"">From: </span><span =
> style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" =
> class=3D"">Devin Teske</span><br class=3D"">
> <span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; =
> font-weight: bold;" class=3D"">Sent: </span><span style=3D"font-family: =
> Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D"">05/12/2017 =
> 07:35</span><br class=3D"">
> <span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; =
> font-weight: bold;" class=3D"">To: </span><span style=3D"font-family: =
> Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D"">Hans Petter =
> Selasky</span><br class=3D"">
> <span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; =
> font-weight: bold;" class=3D"">Cc: </span><span style=3D"font-family: =
> Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D""><a =
> class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =
> href=3D"mailto:rgrimes at freebsd.org">rgrimes at freebsd.org</a>;
> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =
> href=3D"mailto:cem at freebsd.org">cem at freebsd.org</a>; Eitan Adler; =
> src-committers;
> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =
> href=3D"mailto:svn-src-all at freebsd.org">svn-src-all at freebsd.org</a>; <a =
> class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" =
> href=3D"mailto:svn-src-head at freebsd.org">svn-src-head at freebsd.org</a></spa=
> n><br class=3D"">
> <span style=3D"font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; =
> font-weight: bold;" class=3D"">Subject: </span><span style=3D"font-family:=
> Tahoma,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;" class=3D"">Re: svn commit: r326554 =
> -
> in head: . usr.bin/sponge usr.bin/sponge/tests =
> usr.bin/tee</span><br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> > On Dec 5, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Hans Petter Selasky
> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" =
> href=3D"mailto:hps at selasky.org"><hps at selasky.org></a> wrote:<br =
> class=3D"">
> > <br class=3D"">
> >> On 12/05/17 13:58, Rodney W. Grimes wrote:<br class=3D"">
> >> Further more, why does freebsd need this in base?<br =
> class=3D"">
> > <br class=3D"">
> > Hi,<br class=3D"">
> > <br class=3D"">
> > I think this is useful. It could replace the "-i "
> (intermediate) option for "sed" for example. It avoids creating
> temporary files when filtering files, right?<br class=3D"">
> > <br class=3D"">
> > --HPS<br class=3D"">
> > <br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> Wth is wrong with:<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> data=3D$( sed -e '...' somefile ) &&<br class=3D"">
> =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=
> =BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD echo "$data" =
> > somefile<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> or<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> set -e<br class=3D"">
> data=3D...<br class=3D"">
> echo "$data" > ...<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> or<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> exec 3<<EOF<br class=3D"">
> $( ... )<br class=3D"">
> EOF<br class=3D"">
> cat > ... <&3<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> or<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> (I digress)<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> Infinite variations, but the gist is that sponge looks to be
> trying to help sh(1)/similar when help is unneeded.<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> Why buffer data into memory via fork-exec-pipe to sponge when you
> can buffer to native namespace without pipe to sponge?<br =
> class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> Am I missing something? Why do we need sponge(1)?<br class=3D"">
> -- <br class=3D"">
> Devin<br class=3D"">
> <br class=3D"">
> </blockquote>
> <br class=3D"">
> =20
>
> </div></div></blockquote></div><br class=3D""></body></html>=
>
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