How to enable tcp bbr in FreeBSD???

Sun Apr 26 15:18:31 UTC 2020

I will also follow up after I get these in with changes
that will expand the OOB check by adding the appropriate tcp stack level
query and of course BBR and Rack will say no to PRUS_OOB (ENOTSUPPORTED)

R

> On Apr 26, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Randall Stewart <rrs at netflix.com> wrote:
> 
> Michael:
> 
> So
> 
> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D24574
> 
> Is a first step for OOB handling on a per stack basis.
> First question I have is does OOB even work, I suspect not.
> 
> Second here is a prep patch for getting the latest rack and bbr in …
> 
> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D24575
> 
> And then finally on top of that is the update to the latest rack and bbr
> stack:
> 
> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D24576
> 
> Now there is something odd about 24576 it says there are 7k changes to rack (which
> is right) but I don’t see them in the review.. not sure if Phabricator is having
> difficulty or what..
> 
> The patch file I submitted definitely had them .. hmm
> 
> R
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Michael Tuexen <tuexen at freebsd.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26. Apr 2020, at 15:09, Randall Stewart <rrs at netflix.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am thinking that this really needs to have
>>> a deeper support in the transport.
>>> 
>>> I see that OOB is even in socket_dgram process and there
>>> are comments in there that indicate it may be a problem.. I 
>>> know UDP does not support it.
>>> 
>>> So I think what is needed here is
>>> 
>>> 1) a new pru_method that at send/rcv it can query if PRUS_EOF <or> PRUS_OOB
>>> is supported.
>> Not sure what you need to check for PRUS_EOF?
>>> 2) For UDP either query would return false.
>>> 3) For TCP this would resolve to a stack specific query. For the 
>>> freebsd stack, it would return true for both, for Rack or BBR
>>> you would get True for PRUS_EOF and False for PRUS_OOB. This way
>>> you could capture an error in any case by adding a check at the
>>> top of send/recv and immediately return an error as appropriate.
>>> 4) I would also think like all pru methods, you get a default of true/true
>>> so that way I guess unix domain sockets would continue as they are (not
>>> sure if they support these or not I should probably look)
>> Hmm. Thinking about this:
>> 
>> I guess we want to focus on TCP, since my understanding is that the
>> problem is that some TCP stacks do support OOB, some don't. So you
>> can't query that right now via a TCP value.
>> 
>> So couldn't we check in tcp_usr_send() if the stack currently being
>> used for the socket support OOB? It would be a stack specific value.
>> Such a change should fix this issue and does not impact other protocols.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Michael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> R
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Randall Stewart <rrs at netflix.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sure..
>>>> 
>>>> I will take a look at it. 
>>>> 
>>>> R
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Michael Tuexen <Michael.Tuexen at macmic.franken.de> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 26. Apr 2020, at 13:34, Randall Stewart via freebsd-transport <freebsd-transport at freebsd.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have pulled down the reproducers.. one thing to note
>>>>>> is they are all rack (though it could be that the problems
>>>>>> are also in BBR). And of course FreeBSD is behind NF in
>>>>>> rack at least.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I need to work on getting things updated.. one thing Michael, 
>>>>>> both Rack and BBR in NF have lost the OOB handling. Please do
>>>>>> not commit any more changes to Rack .. since that work has already
>>>>>> been done.
>>>>> I understand that the support of MSG_OOB is gone, but if you want
>>>>> to return an error to the user when he uses MSG_OOB, you need to
>>>>> trigger this error in the protocol specific code.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think we can return an error in all cases (also for the
>>>>> default stack), since that would change existing behaviour.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I leave this up to you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> R
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2020, at 7:28 AM, Randall Stewart <rrs at netflix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is actually the first I have heard of these bugs…
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will have look at them Mark.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> R
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Mark Johnston <markj at freebsd.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 03:15:08PM +0100, Tom Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>> rrs at freebsd.org
>>>>>>>>> Bcc: 
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: How to enable tcp bbr in FreeBSD???
>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: 
>>>>>>>>> In-Reply-To: <6042155a-297b-d85e-1d64-24d93da329a2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ... snip ...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe it is not ready for prime time, i do not know why it is not in the
>>>>>>>>>> default build.
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe ask the committer.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have added rrs@ in cc and the freebsd-transport list. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there are plans to enable alternate TCP stacks in
>>>>>>>>> generic? 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Is there a stability point we need to hit first?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There are a couple of open bugs found by syzkaller (complete with
>>>>>>>> reproducers) that appeared when I enabled the alternate TCP stacks:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://syzkaller.appspot.com/bug?id=986b4cecd84439df9794bda1a45d9cf0f50356fe
>>>>>>>> https://syzkaller.appspot.com/bug?id=048f650e99696f881872a285cef0e3b9bd4f4e25
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'd expect these to be fixed before providing the alternate stacks in
>>>>>>>> GENERIC.
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>>>>>>> rrs at netflix.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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