xorg 7.4 keyboard localisation (xorg.conf vs hal)

[Joe Kelsey]

Robert Noland wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 14:10 -0800, Joe Kelsey wrote:
>   
>> Sebastien Chassot wrote:
>>     
>>> On Sun, 2009-02-01 at 17:19 +0000, Daniel Bye wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> On Sun, Feb 01, 2009 at 05:42:39PM +0100, Sebastien Chassot wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've upgrade to xorg7.4 and apparently keyboard and mouse are now
>>>>> working with hald.
>>>>>
>>>>> In xorg.conf changing "old" keybord config as no effect and I can't find
>>>>> how change it with hal. I've got  /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/* but no
>>>>> *keymap* and I don't know how build such a file.
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> This should get you started:
>>>>
>>>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>
>>>> <deviceinfo version="0.2">
>>>>   <device>
>>>>     <match key="info.capabilities" contains="input.keyboard">
>>>>       <merge key="input.xkb.layout" type="string">gb</merge>
>>>>     </match>
>>>>   </device>
>>>> </deviceinfo>
>>>>
>>>> Change the `gb' in the example to your local keymap name, save the file
>>>> as /usr/local/etc/hal/fdi/policy/x11-input.fdi and restart hald.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>> This seems to have a way to enable HAL to detect a keyboard and export 
>> it to X, but what about mice?  My Xorg log tells me that it is ignoring 
>> my USB mouse in addition to ignoring my keyboard, so what sort of HAL 
>> file do I add to enable it to find my mouse?
>>     
>
> The above is only to set keyboard layout, everything to detect the
> keyboard is already present.
>
>   
>> Where in HAL documentation is this information found?  R. Noland seemed 
>> to think it was a trivial process to make HAL do keyboards and mice?  In 
>> fact it is not trivial but a pain in the ass!  If you intend to inflict 
>> broken software on unsuspecting users you had better think through all 
>> of the problems and come up with explicit solutions to all of those 
>> problems so that everyone has a chance to make their systems work.
>>     
>
> We (marcus and I) have gone to great pains to try and ensure that hal
> behaves correctly in pretty much all mice configurations with or without
> sysmouse.  If you don't want to use hal, set AutoAddDevices off and
> configure away.
>
>   
I did my best to follow ALL of the posted directions to absolutely NO AVAIL.

When I start Xorg, it explicitly tells me it is disabling all automatic 
devices and refuses to use HAL or any other detectable methosd to find 
the mouse and/or keyboard.

There is no documentation ANYWHERE about how HAL is supposed to help in 
any of this.  There is no documentation ANYWHERE about what exaqctly the 
new Xorg is supposed to do about it.  There is no documentation ANYWHERE 
about the new, secret, hidden options that you can put in your xorg.conf 
file to disable this whole HAL mess.

The only documentation available ANYWHERE is the skimpy little paragraph 
that says, it works or it doesn't.  No explanation about why it works or 
doesn't or how to determine exactly what might be wrong in your 
configuration to make it work or not work.

I would not compalin if you actually documented what you are inflicting 
on us rather than just say, here it is, good luck!  I understand how 
difficult some of these port upgrades are, but you have to realize that 
you have not provided ANY resources that anyone else can use to help 
themselves figure out their issues.

I don't want to pay you with money I do not have from a job I do not 
have.  You have to realize how many people may or may not have problems 
due to your blithe posting of this complicated mess.  Either explain how 
to use HAL properly to configure X resources or disable the capability.

Thank you for all of your effort so far.  I really do appreciate it.

/Joe

>> There had better not be any more surprises waiting in the X 1.6 wings to 
>> surprise and confound everyone again!
>>     
>
> Are you going to stop paying me?  You have no idea how many combinations
> of hardware and configurations for X  exist, or the amount of wok that
> goes into making all of those combinations work.
>
> robert.
>
>   
>>> I'll start with that
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>> Sebastien
>>>
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