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Jeremy Chadwick koitsu at FreeBSD.org
Thu Sep 18 21:27:09 UTC 2008

On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 05:03:05PM -0400, Mike Tancsa wrote:
> At 04:13 PM 9/18/2008, Jo Rhett wrote:
>> On Sep 18, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote:
>>> I am sorry, I meant, what have you contributed currently or in the
>>> past to FreeBSD ? i.e. what code, or money or physical resources
>>> (hardware) or time testing code ?
>> I do a lot of testing and patches regarding components we use.  Search
>> the PRs.  I maintain several ports.
> I had a search and I see some PRs you have submitted, but I guess you  
> commit under a different @freebsd.org email address ?

I don't think Jo has a freebsd.org account or mail address.
Netconsonance is more or less Jo's own personal/contracting thing, as I
understand it, while one of his employers is SVColo (who you WILL see
mentioned in commit messages).

>>   We pay for development of features that
>> we need but don't have the appropriate skills to fix ourselves.
> That then went back into FreeBSD  ? Can you give examples ?     I ask  
> all this as you really, really want things to change, and you say you  
> have resources to offer, yet you seem to have alienated a LOT of people 
> from previously similar threads  
> (http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-stable/200806/msg00037.html)
> You advocate that people not reject your offers of help and resources, 
> yet at the same time respond to developers who actually do a LOT of work 
> and were going to look at what you have to offer by way of bug reports 
> that you are way too busy to oblige
> http://freebsd.monkey.org/freebsd-stable/200806/msg00069.html

I'm sorry to see that this thread has reached the point where Jo's
character has come into question.  This path is too commonly taken
within this community (read: BSD); the equivalent of doing burn-outs in
a parking lot (lots of smoke, zero gain).  If Jo's character is truly
under scrutiny, be aware that I will stand up for him, as I've
interacted with him professionally (read: at my day job, for network
outages or other anomalies -- and no, my day job is unrelated to my

What surprises me is, sans Robert, everyone seems to be taking what Jo
says as a form of flaming, borderline trolling.  But in all my years
(including on IRC, which should give you some insight to what my
definition of "troll" is), I don't know of anyone who would spend this
amount of effort and time discussing an issue at length if they did not
have professional and/or personal interest in it.  If Jo was just
"stirring up the ants", this topic wouldn't keep coming up.  Likewise,
SVColo would not have donated money to meetBSD if they didn't care; and
for SVColo to care, that means there's a professional reliance on
something (in this case, FreeBSD).  Jo is often that representative.

I do not deny the mails are "heated", and express both frustration and
concern, but I don't see anything insulting in them.

Possibly this topic could be discussed amongst interested parties at
meetBSD.  I will be there, and would be more than happy to participate
in such a discussion -- or at least take notes.

| Jeremy Chadwick                                jdc at parodius.com |
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