removing external usb hdd without unmounting causes reboot?

[Ian Smith]

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007, M. Warner Losh wrote:
 > In message: <469F0B93.9020409 at gmx.de>
 >             "[LoN]Kamikaze" <LoN_Kamikaze at gmx.de> writes:
 > : Oliver Fromme wrote:
 > : > Momchil Ivanov wrote:
 > : >  > On Wednesday 18 July 2007 15:52:42 [LoN]Kamikaze wrote:
 > : >  > > Josh Paetzel wrote:
 > : >  > > > Yes, it's expected behavior.  The workaround is to not unplug mounted
 > : >  > > > devices. (There's nothing special about USB here, if you unplugged an
 > : >  > > > IDE drive you'd get the same behavior)
 > : >  > > 
 > : >  > > Wouldn't it make some sense not to panic if mounted devices that are in
 > : >  > > sync get removed? A few applications might get in trouble, but that's
 > : >  > > hardly a reason to bring a whole system down.
 > : >  > 
 > : >  > I don`t know how things work, but shutting down the system when some
 > : >  > mounted fs is no longer present seems like the wrong thing to me.
 > : > 
 > : > As Josh wrote, it's expected.  The problem is known
 > : > to exist for a long time already (probably as long
 > : > as FreeBSD itself exists), and if there was an easy
 > : > solution, certainly someone would have fixed it.
 > : 
 > : I remember on 5.3 I removed a mounted USB stick. The system did not panic, all
 > : I had to do was to plug the stick back in to be able to unmount it. So the
 > : behaviour has been more tolerant, in the past.
 > 
 > I'm pretty sure that 5.3 panics when you do this.  At least my 5.3
 > machine at work did last time I tried it, which was just last week.

5.4 too.  Now at 5.5-STABLE, on APM if it matters, I've had much fun
several times having the laptop, when on battery, suspend/resume with a
USB stick mounted on da0 (msdosfs or ufs) - without removing the device.

With rc.suspend kldunload'ing usb and rc.resume kldload'ing it (as
recommended for UHCI and, iirc, needed here) then on resume umass0
detaches & reattaches, but assigns the stick to da1.  mount still shows
the da0sX mount.  It doesn't panic unless / until something accesses
da0.  So at least I usually get a window to reboot, the only way out. 

Sure I've learned "don't do that" but it's painful when I forget ..

Might this new USB stack offer any relief to this need to unload/reload
usb on s/r, and if so keep hold of a mount (assuming the stick remains)?

Cheers, Ian