filesystems not properly unmounted [OT]

[Oliver Fromme]

Yuval Levy <yuval_levy at yahoo.com> wrote:
 > Oliver Fromme wrote:
 > > I do look carefully every day, because it's my job.  I work
 > > with various operating systems every day, including FreeBSD
 > > and Linux.
 > 
 >  From a professional I would expect a more mature and balanced approach, 
 > rather than "my favorite OS is the best one and the others have no 
 > advantages".

That's not what I wrote.  FreeBSD is not "the best".  There
is no such thing as "the best", in general.

 > Be real: there is a lot of diversity of OS out there and 
 > they all have advantages and disadvantages.

Right.  Everyone has to decide for himself which tool works
best for his job.

 > > Yup, I know the usual freebsd-for-servers and linux-for-
 > > desktops arguments.  And to be honest, I'm fed up with
 > > them.  They're lies.  I'm running FreeBSD on my desktop
 > > at home, a lot of people are happily running Linux on
 > > their servers, and I've seen people successfully installing
 > > FreeBSD who have never even heard the word "unix" until
 > > that day.
 > 
 > You can run FreeBSD on your desktop at home because you have the skills, 
 > the time, the dedication.

For most "standard" applications it doesn't require any
more skills (or time, or dedication) than with any other
OS.  In fact, getting some applications to work correctly
under, say, Windows requires more skills (and time, and
dedication) sometimes.

 > You are special. Every human being is special

Right.  I don't disagree with you there.

 > [...]  They do not share your view. 
 > I do not share your view. This does not make us liars.

Uhm, what are you talking about?  I've never called you a
liar.  But those people who claim that FreeBSD is only
suitable for servers and Linux is only suitable for desk-
tops -- those are liars.  There are plenty of counter-
examples.

 > I am moving my servers from Linux to FreeBSD, because FreeBSD gives me 
 > the manageability, stability and security that are more important to my 
 > clients than the bleeding edge features that often make it into Linux first.
 > 
 > I am generally inclined toward Open Source software over proprietary 
 > one, but will pragmatically mix and match to obtain what works best for 
 > me rather than dogmatically pretend that my favorite OS is the best and 
 > its filesystem is the brightest and its license is the only acceptable 
 > distribution form.

I agree 100%.  

Most of "my" machines (i.e. the machines which I own or
which I'm responsible for to operate) run FreeBSD, but some
also run Linux (Debian), Solaris or Windows.  I used to
have OpenBSD, too, but it stopped working for me (a long
story).  And currently I'm evaluating to move one of my
privat machines from FreeBSD to DragonFly BSD, because
some of its features would be very useful.

Still, of all of those systems, FreeBSD is (currently) my
favourite.  It's particularly versatile to work well for
all kinds of different purposes, including servers _and_
desktops.

 > Which brings me back to the topic of this thread: is there anybody out 
 > there with the skills to cleanly solve this shameful situation in which 
 > rebooting FreeBSD results in unclean mounting of ext2 (and potentially 
 > other) volumes?

A umount command in rc.shutdown should be a feasible
work-around.

Fixing the driver is probably not a high-priority, because
not many users are affected by the problem, I guess.
(But then again:  It's open source, so you can try to fix
it yourself.)

Best regards
   Oliver

PS:  I think this should rather move to the -chat list.

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