Re[4]: DefCon lecture BSD Kern Vulns

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>Sunday, August  6, 2017 10:17 PM UTC from Justin Coffman via freebsd-security <freebsd-security at freebsd.org>:
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>> >Monday, July 31, 2017 4:20 PM UTC from Dag-Erling Smørgrav
>> < des at des.no >:
>> >
>> >Big Lebowski <  spankthespam at gmail.com > writes:
>> >> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <  des at des.no > writes:
>> >> > There are decades of history here of which you are clearly unaware.
>> >> > You may have the best of intentions, but nothing good will come of
>> >> > raising this topic here and now.  Just drop it.
>> >> Des, please, stop doing that. You're greatest example of cant-be-done
>> >> about almost anything anyone asks for on this list.
>> >>
>> >> Michelle, please, don't stop. Keep talking, keep asking, and maybe
>> >> one day a new breed of people who don't care about cant-be-done or
>> >> 'decades of history' will get things done.
>> >
>> >No.  You truly have no idea.  You're pouring gasoline on a fire and
>> >inadvertantly insulting everyone involved.
>> >
>> >Come see me at a con and we can discuss it over a beer.  But not here.
>> Remind me - who are you to set the standards what people can tell and what
>> not ?
>> 
>> I'm off this list. This is ridiculous. An important topic killed by some dickhead.
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>As a complete newcomer to this list, seeing a fairly well-written message responded to in such an arrogant and, frankly, idiotic manner does not reflect well upon this project.
the next question is, of course: why would anyone want to shift discussion over security in general away from the public, and into his own, secretive meetings ?

I leave the answer for everyone to decide for themselves.
What I saw on the defcon slide, is layman-like code quality. Even I (!) could do a lot better.
This is __ridiculous__.

The Freebsd foundation has money (I heard 1million from the Whatsapp founder ?). 

What I think is happening here by this idiotic, demoralising and unconstructive and conversation-destroying approach of Mr des Smoerebread is the following: we (the users or others) are being patronised by some members (..) as they believe it is usus to have the people watched over - if they all do what is "for the greater good", if they all do what the "governors" think is meant for us to do. Mr Des seems a typical figure in representing/supporting secret services so that "his world" is fine. Meaning, the blockage of discussion and of arguments has only ONE reason: see das Dritte Reich - the Third Reick. Etc. etc.

I will not continue using freebsd when I have the impression that this is what is going on. Certainly not. 



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>"There are decades of history here of which you are clearly unaware."
>"No.  You truly have no idea."
>
>Was your intent to sound like a know-it-all hipster? If not, reconsider your approach. If so, SERIOUSLY reconsider your approach.
>
>Michelle has a point. I submitted a PR on a port and waited TWO YEARS to be told "your patch is in the wrong form." There are reasonable and realistic criticisms that demand reasonable responses. Dag, your response fell FAR short in the reasonableness test.
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