OS to replace FreeBSD

Mohammad Noureldin mohammad at thelightbird.com
Sat Mar 20 12:02:13 UTC 2021

Hi all,

I am new to this mailing list, using FreeBSD/*BSD on and off. Joined the
mailing list because I have a couple of project ideas that I want to build
on top of *BSD.

Though I am new, and maybe relative to many others here I am a newbie,
allow me to comment on all the aspects addressed (so far) in this email

- "It is easy to build a new (custom) kernel", "Unix is made by technical
people for technical people", etc:

Though historically it is true that Unix like systems are made by technical
people for technical people, it doesn't mean that it has to stay like this.
IMHO, such motto causes a great piece of Engineering like *BSD to loose
ground for other Unix like systems, namely Linux and all it's Distros. Not
that I am a Linux hatter, I have respect to both.

Related to that, I don't believe that it is a good message to FreeBSD
users, that if you don't know how to build a new kernel, then there is no
place for you here. IMHO, this really hurts the image of the community of
FreeBSD specially in the eyes of new commers. Notice these email messages
are archived.

- About the problem reported:

Thanks for all who went through the long list of comments on that PR and
explained in brief that it is a USB controller/HW problem.

In that respect, I do agree with Jerry and others wondering how other OS(s)
can manage running on the same HW (in case that has been proven) ? I
believe it worths looking at that. I would have volunteered to dig deeper
into that, but I know I don't have the required experience (unless someone
is willing to mentor me ? :) )

And responding to that:"OK, just shut up and go install another OS", is not
a community building attitude at all.

And for the sake of discussion, let's assume for a second that Jerry is
lazy or not skilled enough, helping him and fixing the problem or clearly
explaining a solution without bashing him, is not just for Jerry, it is for
the whole community, for the current and new members who will be interested
to join in the future.

Jerry, I am curious, did you have time to try one the suggestions,
specially running FreeBSD on a VM to see if it still suffers from the same
problem ?

You all have a great day/evening

On Sat, Mar 20, 2021, 11:35 Jerry <jerry at seibercom.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 18:30:00 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated:
> >On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 4:32 PM Ralf Mardorf <ralf-mardorf at riseup.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:16:33 -0700, freebsd at johnea.net wrote:
> >> >Void uses a runit init system with no systemd
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I suspect it's not a good idea to use Linux without systemd. For
> >> example, by upstream udev is part of systemd. Maintaining Linux
> >> without systemd is a bottomless pit.
> >>
> >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 13:35:21 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> >> >Recompiling the kernel is *TRIVIAL* if you refuse to do it then you
> >> >should not be using any Unix variant
> >>
> >> I dislike this tone of voice. However, I agree that compiling the
> >> kernel might be less effort, than migrating to another operating
> >> system. If you would e.g. migrate to Arch Linux, you need to get
> >> used to systemd. Getting used to systemd isn't pleasant. If you
> >> chose a Linux distro that doesn't use systemd, you likely will
> >> experience all kinds of trouble, if you want to customize your
> >> install.
> >
> >I used that tone because it really is simple and if you can't/won't
> >recompile the kernel before throwing the baby out despite with the bath
> >water then you really don't have the skills/desire needed to use Unix
> >effectively...  Just to show how trivial it really is
> >
> >1. Edit /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC (or i386 instead of amd64 if
> >your still using it) to comment out the xhci line (line 327 in
> >12.2-RELASE-pl3) to remove USB 3.0 support
> >2. cd /usr/src
> >3. make kernel
> >4. etcupdate
> >5. reboot
> >
> >Done.... how hard is that?
> I never said I could not compile a new kernel, I said I could not
> install the OS. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the installation
> of the OS precede the creation of a new kernel? Furthermore, the
> screen just rolls away filling up with the error message ad infinitum.
> By the way, as I understand it, creating a custom kernel nullifies the
> use of "freebsd update". Wow, things just keep getting better & better.
> What I cannot understand is that FreeBSD knows it has a problem, one
> not shared by any other OS as far as I have been able to ascertain,
> and I have done a lot of research, and they refuse to fix it. The
> problem did not exist before version 12.x, so it is not like they never
> were able to get it right.
> --
> Jerry

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