OS to replace FreeBSD

Aryeh Friedman aryeh.friedman at gmail.com
Sat Mar 20 03:31:03 UTC 2021

On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 11:13 PM Weaver <weaver at riseup.net> wrote:

> On 20-03-2021 12:31, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 10:06 PM Weaver <weaver at riseup.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 20-03-2021 11:20, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
> >>> I am convinced you don't know how to read or don't read what you
> >> quote
> >>> because nothing in what I said was setting standards.... For
> >> example I
> >>> never said that you couldn't use Unix for simple stuff like word
> >>> processing (or latex in your case).... If anything you're the one
> >> who
> >>> assumes it the only OS that can do that stuff.... But there are
> >> plenty
> >>> of technical/math editors for all OS's now you saying that
> >> "latex/xml"
> >>> is the only way to do it (you're own words btw) just doesn't know
> >> what
> >>> options are available and on what platforms.... If you don't
> >> believe
> >>> me about libreoffice for math editing for example I went back to
> >>> school (100% online course work) about 15 years ago and did all my
> >>> math homework (including some pretty hairy matrix math and
> >>> differential equations) using the equation editor in libreoffice
> >> (it
> >>> has only gotten better since then)...   Am I forcing you to use it
> >> or
> >>> anything else no but you are saying that latex/xml is the only
> >> way...
> >>> so who is setting standards?   (not me)
> >>
> >> No I didn't say anything like that.
> >> Now you're distinctly bending reality.
> >
> > Yes you did say just that when you implied that you use Unix for latex
> > only and that no other OS was suitable.
> No, I didn't.
> I neither said nor implied.

"If you don't use latex/xml then you should not do technical writing" sure
sounds like you said it!

> >>> For your purposes modern Windows systems are just as fast/solid
> >
> > First what part of "your purposes" is not clear?!?!  You are not doing
> > high-end client-server, embedded systems or anything else that Unix is
> > uniquely well suite for your doing glorified word processing.... so
> > for your purposes (not some other purpose) Windows is just as fast and
> > solid as any OS.
> >
> >> If that were right, it would be employed by the New York and London
> >> stock exchanges and the International Space Station, but it isn't.
> >> I can't even begin to imagine what a frozen screen would mean up
> >> there.
> >
> > 1. The ISS *DOES* use Windows for end user applications (which is what
> > it good at) and uses Unix for the control systems (which it is good
> > at):
> >
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/03/15/why-does-the-iss-use-windows-os/?sh=20fa6b3e6926
> > 2. Like the ISS the NYSE uses both Windows and Unix with Unix doing
> > the *INFRASTRUCTURE* and Windows being the most common UI traders and
> > other staff use to interface to the trading system
> >
> https://www.quora.com/Why-do-traders-all-use-PCs-besides-the-fact-that-there%E2%80%99s-a-ton-of-software-that-is-PC-only
> >  (it should be noted that the super fast high speed trading machines
> > usually have *NO* OS on them since that would add a few microseconds
> > of overhead which is completely unacceptable for HFT)
> >
> >>> (security is still the one area Unix is still better)... But for
> >> stuff
> >>> like webapps there really is no real alternative then Unix because
> >> of
> >>> it's infrastructure/backend origins and focus.... So yes the only
> >>> place where I might be setting standards is in areas where there
> >> are
> >>> no real alternatives except the "standard" way of doing things...
> >>>
> >>> That is not to say that Unix is the "right" way to do those things
> >> and
> >>> for most non-development work it is not the "right" way due to not
> >>> having "no assembly required" pre-canned solutions for said tasks
> >>> while Windows does.
> >>
> >> If that were true, I wouldn't be doing things the way I do.
> >> I have yet to see a LaTeX presentation level produced by Word, and
> >> doubt
> >> I ever will.
> >
> > I never said word I said Libreoffice (the fact you said word is one
> > reason why I say you don't read).   Libreoffice does support LaTex.
> You're more convoluted in a conversation than a corkscrew.

What is so convoluted? you claimed that Word didn't have X when I never
said it did.... I then pointed out that another word processor on Windows
(and Unix) *DOES* have that capability.... please explain what is
convoluted about that? ... Are you purposely misreading everything?

> >> It's also better for presentation of math equations, one of the
> >> reasons
> >> it was created in the first place.
> >
> > Latex was actually created by Knuth originally because he used a very
> > unorthodox notation in "The Art of Computer Programming" that no
> > existing equation editor at the time (or even now) supports and thus
> > instead us using standard CS notation he went down a 10 year rabbit
> > hole making LaTex.
> I think you're capable of creating any alternate reality in order to
> endorse your philosophies of convenience.
> There's nothing further to discuss, here.

You are the one who is making a alternate reality.... direct quote from the
wikipedia article on TeX:

When the first paper volume of Donald Knuth's The Art of Computer
Programming was published in 1968,[5] it was typeset using hot metal
typesetting set by a Monotype machine. This method, dating back to the 19th
century, produced a "classic style" appreciated by Knuth.[6] When the
second edition was published, in 1976, the whole book had to be typeset
again because the Monotype technology had been largely replaced by
phototypesetting, and the original fonts were no longer available. When
Knuth received the galley proofs of the new book on 30 March 1977, he found
them inferior.

Disappointed by the galley proofs of the second edition of the second
volume, he was motivated to design his own typesetting system. Knuth saw
for the first time the output of a high-quality digital typesetting system,
and became interested in digital typography. On 13 May 1977, he wrote a
memo to himself describing the basic features of TeX.[7]

He planned to finish it on his sabbatical in 1978, but as it happened, the
language was not "frozen" (ready to use) until 1989, more than ten years
later. Guy Steele happened to be at Stanford during the summer of 1978,
when Knuth was developing his first version of TeX. When Steele returned to
the Massachusetts Institute of Technology that autumn, he rewrote TeX's
input/output (I/O) to run under the Incompatible Timesharing System (ITS)
operating system. The first version of TeX, called TeX78, was written in
the SAIL programming language to run on a PDP-10 under Stanford's WAITS
operating system.

Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org

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