Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait)
galtsev at kicp.uchicago.edu
Fri Apr 24 13:46:56 UTC 2020
On 4/24/20 4:57 AM, Shamim Shahriar wrote:
> On 24/04/2020 01:09, 令狐月弦 wrote:
>> I am on freebsd list but I do like freebsd :) due to it is more light
>> and stable than others, as server running environment. freebsd is may
>> not as good as linux for desktop environment IMO.
> this is not a personal response to any particular message. I am merely
> responding to a pattern or generic typical statement. Mostly in line of
> "this is better than that" or "FreeBSD is rubbish as desktop
> environment" or "I have no idea what I am talking about and am very
> proud of it". You have been warned!
> now, for the main response
> and Linux is not as good as MS Windows
> and Windows is not as good as MacOS
> and MacOS is not as good as . . .
> You can continue the way you prefer. I had been using FreeBSD as my
> primary desktop/laptop environment for many many years now -- with many
> ups and downs, but with much better success than people are led to
> believe. There are times when I need to resort to other OS based system
> primarily because people keep on pushing me to sites/items that I
> personally neither need nor want (Flash, for example) -- but friends and
> enemies are very keen on being the most tech savvy modern "dude" . . .
> (you get the picture).
> At work I use both MacOS and Windows. When it comes to security, guess
> which OS I tend to turn to.
> Anyway, in my own personal opinion, the inherent problem of the
> statement above (and anything similar) is, people seem to confuse Linux
> with desktop environment -- which it is not! Linux is nothing but just
> the kernel. It is not even the base system -- let alone the userland!
> People can complain that KDE does not work on particular hardware, or X
> does not like certain graphics card. That has nothing to do with
> FreeBSD. Anything and everything outside the base system are the fruit
> of the hard labour by people trying to adopt things that were created
> for some other system. The fruit will be mostly sweet, sometimes sour,
> and that is how it should be going forward (IMHO). That is what the
> Ports are offering -- take it or leave it, or alternatively help make it
> better (testing, reporting issues, contributing to codes, donations --
> many different options to suit most people). FreeBSD is NOT Linux --
> there are concepts in FreeBSD like base, userland, ports -- something
> worth familiarizing yourselves with in order to have a meaningful
> conversation. FreeBSD boasts to have the best possible documentation --
> challenge it, read it through, prove it wrong before making assumptions.
> Understanding the differences between other OSs is also essential (no,
> it is NOT optional) unless you are content to make stupid remarks and be
> proud of it.
> It is amusing how people put "constructive criticism" without even
> realizing what they are criticizing -- "FreeBSD is not suitable as
> desktop environment" (and similar comments), for example. Well, what do
> you mean by "desktop environment" and is FreeBSD really offering you
> one? Or is your inability to make a third party system play nice on your
> hardware, combined with your lack of understanding of what FreeBSD truly
> is, is forcing you to expose the shortcomings/frustration on public
> forum in shapes and form that makes people think that you hate FreeBSD?
> I wonder . . .
> Have fun!
>> Aryeh Friedman wrote:
>>> It seems like there are more then normal (than in years past) people
>>> on the
>>> -questions@ list that for whatever reason just*HATE* FreeBSD for
>>> and non-technical reasons. If you hate FreeBSD so much why are you on
>>> this list and why do you use FreeBSD? I suspect in many cases they use
>>> FreeBSD because it is more stable then their favorite OS (linux). Hint:
>>> that stability is in many cases due to the very reasons you hate FreeBSD
>>> (conservative adoption of features for example, not using GPL as much as
>>> possible, so called "out-dated" features and lack of "modern" hardware
>>> support -- the last two are either subjective or just out right
> To answer the original post, IMHO the primary purpose / function of the
> Trolls are to
> a. fill the Internet with loads of misleading and false information, so
> that when newcomers are searching online for information, these
> misleading and false information are at the top of the response
> b. try to persuade any newcomer from finding the truth and discourage
> adopting to FreeBSD
> c. So far, I think this is the only place (FreeBSD mailing lists in
> general) where people are more accommodating, and does not kick people
> out for speaking BS. Despite being member in many Linux lists, I am not
> aware of any Linux list being trolled so much, or accommodating to
> people with different opinion (if anyone know of any, I'll be quite
> happy to take a look at the list archive and accept my mistake).
> The second statement above is from my personal experience. In a former
> job, I had serious difficulty in convincing my then line manager as to
> why they should move to FreeBSD -- primarily because his "Tech Savvy
> Friends" and "googling" convinced him that FreeBSD is the most insecure
> OS there can be -- even worse that M$ :P :P :P. At one point I even
> setup a server and invited him to ask his friends to find any flaws --
> and of course, he refused to indulge me in that pursuit . . .
> I'm not saying these are the only reasons, but in my own personal
> opinion, these are at least within top seven.
Well said. Thanks a lot!!
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