randall hyde's high level assembly!

[Mehmet Erol Sanliturk]

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh at kathe.in> wrote:

> On 2015-06-12 15:11, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 11:37 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh at kathe.in>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On 2015-06-12 11:24, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Mayuresh Kathe
>>> <mayuresh at kathe.in>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2015-06-12 11:04, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:29 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh at kathe.in>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi matthew,
>>>
>>> no luck, I got the following message;
>>> root at www:~ # pkg install hla
>>> Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue...
>>> FreeBSD repository is up-to-date.
>>> All repositories are up-to-date.
>>> pkg: No packages available to install matching 'hla' have been
>>> found in the repositories
>>>
>>> `uname -a` gives me the following;
>>> FreeBSD www.kathe.in [1] [1] [1] 10.1-RELEASE-p10 FreeBSD
>>> 10.1-RELEASE-p10
>>> #0: Wed May 13 06:54:13 UTC 2015
>>> root at amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
>>> amd64
>>>
>>> `freebsd-version` gives me the following;
>>> 10.1-RELEASE-p11
>>>
>>> anything i might be doing wrong?
>>>
>>> ~mayuresh
>>>
>>> On 2015-06-12 09:26, Matthew Pherigo wrote:
>>> Hey Mayuresh,
>>>
>>> There's actually a port in the tree already! 'pkg install hla'
>>>
>>> --Matt
>>>
>>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 5:52 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh at kathe.in>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> has anyone been successful at working with randall hyde's high
>>> level assembly toolkit under freebsd 10.x?
>>> http://www.plantation-productions.com/Webster/ [2] [2] [2] claims
>>> to
>>> have a
>>> pre-built archive, but one that fails to assemble the binaries. :(
>>>
>>> ~mayuresh
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Is hla able to generate 64-bit machine code for amd64 ?
>>>
>>> It seems that it is for 32-bits , i.e. i386 .
>>>
>>> i have been able to run and test 'hla' under amd64 systems running
>>> ubuntu.
>>> any particular reason why it will not run under freebsd 64-bit?
>>> one of the things that could be a problem might be the "assembler"
>>> itself, i couldn't find "gas" or an equivalent under freebsd.
>>>
>>> ~mayuresh
>>>
>>> Can you use Nasm ?
>>>
>>> CD /USR/PORTS/DEVEL/NASM
>>> MAKE INSTALL
>>>
>>> http://forum.nasm.us/index.php?topic=1283.0 [3] [3]
>>>
>>
>>  thanks for that tip mehmet, much appreciate it.
>>
>>  i hadn't known about "nasm", looking it up led me to a book on
>> assembly language programming by jeff duntemann, which seems to be a
>> lot more realistic than the one by randall hyde.
>>
>>  again, thanks a million mehmet. :)
>>
>>  ~mayuresh
>>
>> 64 bits operating systems are different from 32 bits operating systems
>> .
>>
>> During working with assemblers , it is necessary to distinguish this
>> feature .
>>
>> In a 64 bits operating system , if 32 bits programs will be used , it
>> is necessary to have 32 bits libraries and support by the operating
>> system .
>>
>> This means that you can not execute 32 bits programs in a 64 bits
>> operating system without such support .
>>
>> In the following page :
>>
>> http://www.duntemann.com/assembly.html [4]
>>
>> read
>>
>> "If You Have a 64-Bit PC..."
>>
>> the especially .
>>
>> "64-Bit PC" is misleading : It should be "64-Bit Operating System" .
>>
>> Both Intel and AMD x86 processors mainly support both 32 and 64 bit
>> operating systems : They are able to execute 32 and 64 bit
>> instructions .
>>
>> Therefore , important points are bit size of ( 32 or 64 ) operating
>> system , and handling capability of this feature by compilers and
>> availability of libraries , and support by the operating system .
>>
>> It is necessary to have information about 64 bit assembly programming
>> in an 64 bit operating system .
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Intel-Assembly-Language-Programming/dp/1478119209/ref=pd_sim_14_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=15NZ1SBWCZAMH1X6KPZG
>> [5]
>>
>> Introduction to 64 Bit Intel Assembly Language Programming for Linux:
>> Second Edition Paperback – June 23, 2012
>> by Benjamin Ray Seyfarth (Author)
>>
>
> mehmet, thanks for the link to that book by benjamin ray seyfarth.
>
> my objective for learning assembly was to understand the inner workings of
> the machine, but i guess that could get accomplished with a good
> understanding of "machine organization".
>
> randall hyde's "write great code (vol 1)" is an excellent book on "machine
> organization", just that one of the languages used for example code is
> 'hla' and hence my inquiry into support for running 'hla' under freebsd.
>
> best,
>
> ~mayuresh
>
>


Using a widely adopted and supported by a community assembler such as
"nasm" is much better than using a special purpose assembler ( for me with
very useless statement kinds ) such as "hla" is a better approach when
portability and maintainability of written sources over time is considered .


I have look at the "hla" many times and come to a conclusion "never use it"
.


If a high level language is required , "C" may be used .


Thank you very much .


Mehmet Erol Sanliturk