peter at vereshagin.org
Tue Oct 30 22:15:51 UTC 2012
2012/10/30 15:37:55 -0400 Michael Powell <nightrecon at hotmail.com> => To freebsd-questions at freebsd.org :
MP> I do not know. Never ran Gentoo. Never had the time to try every 'distro'.
MP> Some imprecise and poor wording on my part when I said something about
MP> 'all', when I should have said the 3 that I did try. Mistake on my part.
Totally 'portages'-based 'gentoo' with its 'USE flags' feature is a kind of a
freebsd in a linuxes world. Opps, and an offtopic here, too. But... there
seems to be somebody porting the portages to freebsd, no? Something like
'creating a freebsd kernel portage' as I see this task. If so then 'debian'
guys are not alone foloowing that way with their 'kFreebsd' for whiles
MP> > What if being a proper sysadm means ability to deploy a package on
MP> > thousands (tens of thaousands, etc.) of machines? In formal terms this
MP> > means create a package and install on the every machine. This cannot be a
MP> > several packages because this makes the whole task less quick and the
MP> > solution less reliable. And the creation of such a package can be a more
MP> > trivial task for sysadm than the such of a package installation or upgrade
MP> > by itself.
MP> > Such a metaport can be a person-scale/company-wide solution, not a public
MP> > one so no harm for the general freebsd usage approaches/pphilosophy which
MP> > is a kind of a public stuff.
MP> I completely agree with this. However, noting the most recent email it looks
MP> as if he still hasn't quite got the hang of installing software on FreeBSD
MP> yet. I believe there is a chapter in the Handbook devoted to it.
I shoudn't ever judge about what the other side did or didn't (read or didn't
read, know or doesn't know). But it's me.
MP> One would still need to learn how to install software on FreeBSD in order to
MP> make use of a meta port; after all - it is still the same process. I do not
MP> think a meta port is a solution for not learning how to install software.
But metaport build/install process can give a clue about the what it is. Ain't
it a 'learning how to install software'?
MP> My suggestion is centered around the idea that learning to install software
MP> is a prerequisite to using a meta port. I think we should be guiding him
MP> towards acquiring that understanding, then if such a meta port comes into
MP> being he will be able to make use of it as well.
MP> I do not disagree with the potential utility of a meta port. This is a
MP> 'horse before the cart' situation where one cannot replace the other. We
MP> should be helping him learn how to install software. A meta port should be a
MP> separate issue of its own, and not be attempting to replace not knowing how
MP> to install software.
I hate methodologies and teaching. But here are my cents:
- Such a metaport creation task can motivate him on learning about the
'porting and installing software for freebsd' topic by himself. Ain't it
great for him and easy for us than learning here about his typically
known beforehand small steps on that way?
- Horse before the cart is a problem when it's a vice-versa only.
Peter Vereshagin <peter at vereshagin.org> (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627
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