why I am upset

Robert Simmons rsimmons0 at gmail.com
Mon May 28 06:01:19 UTC 2012

On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM,  <doug at safeport.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2012, Warren Block wrote:
>> There can be a tremendous investment of time in using software, whether
>> "free" or not.  Money too, often.
>> Those who work to write, port, and support free software also spend a
>> tremendous amount of time in doing that.  Money too, often.
>> So both parties have a large investment, and it's easy but
>> counterproductive to get emotional about it.  Take a deep breath, be polite,
>> and try to appreciate the other guy's problems.  Otherwise it just ends up
>> creating more problems, and there are already enough.
> Warren makes a great point. In years past Greg Lehey used to post, "How to
> ask a question", or something similar. Its worth resurrecting that. As I
> recall, the major points were: Nobody here is getting paid to do this; there
> are a great number of people with a wealth of information willing to help;
> and, its up to the one asking the question to do it in such a way as to peak
> someones interest.

Just to add to this: even though the original question was asked with
frustration and vitriol, people on the list shouldn't respond in such
juvenile and inappropriate ways as people did earlier in this thread.
The level of discourse on all the other lists is very high.
Unfortunately, the level of discourse on this list when someone
approaches the list poorly is also just as poor.  The type of people
who gave nasty or derisive responses in this thread are the ones that
give the FreeBSD community a bad name.

I'm sure all your mothers told you at one time or another: If you
can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

Also, pique, from French: to prick or stimulate.

>> From an earlier post:
> On 05/26/2012 05:40 PM, Franci Nabalanci wrote:
>> I did use portmaster for KDE 4.8 update and it stopped:
>> The devel/kdebindings4-python port has been deleted: kdebindings ports
>> have
>> been refactored.
>> Update aborted.
>> And I don't know how to save a problem.
> If it is repeatable, re-do the operation with:
>  script error.log <the-original-command>
> I use [and love] FreeBSD as a workstation because: I get better performance
> with hardware that I would otherwise throw away. I am sure of this because
> no charity will take anything I am "done" with. I assume all on this list
> use FreeBSD for similar or their own reasons. Hence the 'captain obvious
> statement', the FreeBSD sucks threads tend to degrade in direct proportion
> to their length.
> When things go wrong with upgrading a workstation port tree they can
> [often??] go really badly. A couple of tools and/or techniques can help:
> pkg_cleanup, pkg_tree, the pkg port to revert a port to a previous level.
> Check out anything named pkg_ in the port collection.
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