Please help me diagnose this crazy VMWare/FreeBSD 8.x crash

Joe Greco jgreco at
Fri Mar 30 14:42:09 UTC 2012

> On 3/29/2012 7:01 AM, Joe Greco wrote:
> >> On 3/28/2012 1:59 PM, Mark Felder wrote:
> >>> FreeBSD 8-STABLE, 8.3, and 9.0 are untested
> >>
> >> As much as I'm sensitive to your production requirements, realistically
> >> it's not likely that you'll get a helpful result without testing a newer
> >> version. 8.2 came out over a year ago, many many things have changed
> >> since then.
> >>
> >> Doug
> > 
> > So you're saying that he should have been using 8.3-RELEASE, then.
> That isn't what I said at all, sorry if I wasn't clear. The OP mentioned
> 9.0-RELEASE, and in the context of his message (which I snipped) he
> mentioned 8-stable. That's what I was referring to.

And since both the poster and I made it clear that this doesn't seem
to be a case of "it fails reliably on a machine of your choosing",
just installing random other versions and hoping that it's going to
cause a fail ... well, let's just say that doesn't make a whole lot
of sense.  Or at least it's a recipe for a hell of a lot of busywork,
busywork not guaranteed to return any sort of useful result.

What you suggest is a fine solution for "My ASUS Sempron box fails 
when I do X!" -- in such a case, "Try a different version of FreeBSD" 
makes lots of sense.  The problem is, in a virtualization environment,
theoretically the virtual hosts are all the same sort of hardware 
(modulo any specific configuration changes of course), so when someone
presents a problem that afflicts only a percentage of their VM's, it
is important to keep in mind that you are not interacting with physical
hardware, and that reinstalling an OS on a "problem" VM...?  

Well, let's just say I like real hardware better for many reasons.

In the meantime, it's unrealistic to tell people to use supported
releases, to wait fifteen months between releases, and then to criticize
people complaining about problems with a supported release for "using
old code".

... JG
Joe Greco - Network Services - Milwaukee, WI -
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