Is this something we (as consumers of FreeBSD) need to be aware
DStaal at usa.net
Wed Jun 6 20:10:29 UTC 2012
On 2012-06-06 15:05, Jerry wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 12:49:53 -0400
> Daniel Staal articulated:
>>I don't believe at this point FreeBSD has any intent one way or
>>another, really. It's not an immediate problem for any platform
>>supported by the FreeBSD project, at least for a technically-inclined
>>user who's willing to check out their BIOS. (Even if they are using
>>the latest hardware, the x86-derived platforms aren't going to
>>this code signing yet.) So it'll probably be a 'wait and see if it's
>>something the FreeBSD community needs a solution for' at this point.
>>But this is just my impression.
> I totally agree with you. Unfortunately that speaks to the sad state
> affairs that FreeBSD appears to be in. When it comes to supporting
> latest technologies, it tends to be behind the curve when compared to
> other operating systems. Wireless networking and USB support are only
> few examples.
That was not my intended message with the above. :) FreeBSD supports
several server-class hardware platforms. ARM is not currently a
server-class hardware platform. (It's a very interesting platform for
mobile and small devices, but it has not seen any significant use that I
am aware of in the market that FreeBSD is primarily aimed at.) Secure
Boot - if even a part of the platform - can easily be disabled on those
platforms. So it is not a current problem, and there is a fair amount
of bad feeling about the technology, so it may not ever be a problem.
RedHat is facing severe backlash from the community because it
supported this technology. A 'wait and see' approach to whether it
needs to be supported at all - especially as it doesn't appear to need
support at present - is a reasonable course.
> I don't know of any user personally who purchased a new PC and then
> threw FreeBSD on it. Most users that I have come into contact with
> 2+ year old units that have been replaced by shiny new Windows units.
> don't see that changing anytime soon.
*Raises hand*. I did this with two boxes within the past year. One
turned out to be to new for FreeBSD - but Linux didn't have support for
it yet at that point either. Now either does.
>>In slight defense of RedHat: They do a lot of worrying about
>>enterprise and government customers, many of whom don't really care
>>what platform they are running on - as long as they can get 'support'
>>and it passes their security/operational tests. In that environment,
>>I can easily see some middle-manager decreeing that disabling the
>>signed-boot process is verboten, without any understanding of the
>>meaning or the consequences, and enforcing it on the whole
>>company/division, to the point where any non-signed OS would be
>>out the door. FreeBSD has probably already been thrown out the door
>>at those types of locations, as there is no 'official' support
>>channel. (Yes, for my sins, I work at one of these...)
> What sin? You use a product and want it properly supported. You have
> absolute right to that. Posting a message on a forum and hoping that
> someone can answer it is not the type of support a business would
I'm not sure what sin I committed to be consigned to this place, but it
must have been heinous.
(And in many cases 'official support' appears to be 'post a message
about it on our forum, so we can ignore you more efficiently'.)
Daniel T. Staal
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