UFS Crash and directories now missing
bonomi at mail.r-bonomi.com
Sat Apr 28 17:30:47 UTC 2012
Alejandro Imass <aimass at yabarana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Robert Bonomi
> <bonomi at mail.r-bonomi.com> wrote:
> > Alejandro Imass <aimass at yabarana.com> wrote:
> >> After a little more research, ___it it NOT unlikely at all___ that
> >> under high distress and a hard boot, UFS could have somehow corrupted
> >> the directory structure, whilst maintaining the data intact.
> > This is techically accurate, *BUT* the specifics of the quote "corruption"
> > unquote in the case under discussion make it *EXTREMELY* unlikely that this
> > is what happened.
> > 99.99+++% of all UFS filesystem "corruption' issues are the result of a
> > system crash _between_ the time cached 'meta-data' is updated in memory
> > and that data is flushed to disk (a deferred write).
> > The second most common (and vanishingly rare) failure mode is a powerfail
> > _as_ a sector of disk is being written -- resulting in 'garbage data'
> > being written to disk.
> > The next possibility is 'cosmic rays'. If running on 'cheap' hardware
> > (i.e., without 'ECC' memory), this can cause a *SINGLE-BIT* error in
> > data being output.
> > The fact that the 'corrupted' filesystem passed fsck -without- any reported
> > errors shows that everything in the filesystem meta-data was consistent
> > I think it is safe to conclude that the probabilities -greatly- favor
> > alternative #1.
> OK. So after your comments and further research I concur with you on
> the mv but if it wasn't a human, then this might be exposing a serious
> security flaw in the jail system or the way EzJail implements it.
Jails only prevent stuff -inside- the jail from affecting stuff outside the
jail. They do *NOT* prevent stuff 'oustide the jail' from affecting stuff
INSIDE the jail.
"For any fool-proof system, there exists a *sufficiently*determined* fool
capable of breaking it."
> whole point of using jails is to protect things like this from
FALSE TO FACT.
> Given that the only jail that survived was the front-end
> Apache Web server/reverse proxy, then it is also safe to suspect the
> apache (or other) process running on it was able to perform a mv of
> the rest of the jails to it's own /usr/local/etc/apache22 directory.
FALSE TO FACT.
> Is there no possibility is that after the system crash, the journal
> recocery process and/or fsck could have moved this directories ?
"Anything is 'possible'" -- c.f. 'nasal monkeys'.
HOWEVER, if, for example, you would bother to examine the source code for
fsck you would discover that it doesn't do -anything- 'significant' without
ASKING FIRST. You reported it didn't find any problems -- not even anay
of the 'petty' ones it will correct w/o asking -if- the '-p' option is
"Journal revovery" _could_, 'theoretically' have done it -- *IF* "something
else" did the 'mv' just before the crash, and that operation was journaled,
but not yet committed to disk at the time of the crash. However, on a
standard UFS filesystem, filesystem metadata updates are written
'synchronously', which should eliminate _that_ wild, unfounded, speculaction.
"You sir, don't know what you don't know, and much of what you "think"
you know is incorrect."
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