Tips for installing windows and freeBSD both.. anyone??

Chip Camden sterling at
Fri Nov 12 16:07:37 UTC 2010

Quoth Chad Perrin on Thursday, 11 November 2010:
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 06:09:15PM +0000, Bruce Cran wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:57:17 -0800
> > Chip Camden <sterling at> wrote:
> > 
> > > However, for automating repeated tasks (as distinguished from running
> > > automated tests of the GUI itself), scripting a GUI is the wrong way
> > > to do it.  It's layering on an entirely unnecessary layer of
> > > abstraction (the UI), and then working around it.
> > 
> > This is why at least on Windows there's often a C/COM/.NET API that
> > allows the same level of control that the GUI provides, so that
> > customers can automate tasks.
> It's too bad such APIs require so much more knowledge, and present so
> much more of a barrier to entry for automating tasks, than a simpler CLI
> filter's interface provides via something like the Unix pipeline.
> -- 
> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: ]

True -- let's say the customer wants to have their application send email
notifications.  If I tell the customer to open a pipe to mutt or mail,
they can pop that in and test it in a few minutes.  If they have to
automate Outlook, or use the MAPI or CDO interfaces, then we're talking about a
project.  In fact, I've billed quite a few hours doing just that sort of
work.  If all I cared about was the money I could fleece off of them, then I'd steer
more customers towards these unnaturally complex solutions.

Sterling (Chip) Camden    | sterling at | 2048D/3A978E4F |        |
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