GUI for AC

[Ian Smith]

In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 319, Issue 10, Message: 18
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:48:38 -0400 Jerry <freebsd.user at seibercom.net> wrote:
 > On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:04:56 +1000 (EST)
 > Ian Smith <smithi at nimnet.asn.au> articulated:
 > 
 > > In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 319, Issue 9, Message: 24
 > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:26:18 -0400 Jerry <freebsd.user at seibercom.net> wrote:
 > >  > On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:17:25 +0530
 > >  > Ashish SHUKLA <ashish at FreeBSD.org> articulated:
 > >  > 
 > >  > > I've not used KDE since they released KDE 4, but IIRC, KDE 3.5.x used to have
 > >  > > ACL support integrated in it[1] by default. Are you sure there isn't any such
 > >  > > setting you probably missing during compilation in KDE 4.x ?
 > >  > > 
 > >  > > References:
 > >  > > [1]  http://www.flickr.com/photos/wahjava/507889368/#/
 > >  > 
 > >  > No really. You cannot add users or change individual user's permissions
 > >  > via KDE's default file browser. Obviously, I can accomplish most of
 > >  > what I want to do from the command line, abet more slowly and error
 > >  > prone.
 > > 
 > > Does that represent a regression in KDE4 from KDE3.5.x?

Does anybody know if this is or is not the case with KDE4?

 > >  > Having read up on a few Googled items, it appears that FreeBSD has not
 > >  > matured sufficiently yet to allow full integration of ACLs. Supposedly,
 > >  > 9.x will offer better integration.
 > > 
 > > Integration with what?  KDE?
 > > 
 > > Perhaps I googled a little harder Jerry, but thanks to Robert Watson's 
 > > TrustedBSD framework, FreeBSD has supported POSIX 1.e ACLs since 5.1 and 
 > > NFSv4 ACLs in 8-STABLE for quite a while now; they'll be in 8.1-RELEASE 
 > > for both UFS and ZFS filesystems.
 > > 
 > > Maybe it's the predominantly Linux-centric KDE that has not yet matured 
 > > sufficiently to include support for FreeBSD ACLs?  As Carmel memtioned, 
 > > the (as usual) excellent article by Dru Lavigne on using FreeBSD ACLs at 
 > > http://onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/09/22/FreeBSD_Basics.html demonstrated 
 > > using Gnome's Nautilus enhanced by the port sysutils/eiciel - in 2005.
 > > 
 > > Among the many other useful results from googling 'FreeBSD ACLs':
 > > 
 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list
 > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/NFSv4_ACLs
 > > http://wiki.freebsd.org/Releng/8.1TODO/
 > 
 > Per wiki: "support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX
 > draft that was abandoned".

Let's have that quote from the wikipedia page in a little more context:

"Most of the Unix and Unix-like operating systems (e.g. Linux,[1] BSD, or 
Solaris) support so called POSIX.1e ACLs, based on an early POSIX draft 
that was abandoned. Many of them, for example AIX, Mac OS X beginning 
with version 10.4 ("Tiger"), or Solaris with ZFS filesystem[2], support 
NFSv4 ACLs, which are part of the NFSv4 standard. FreeBSD 9-CURRENT 
supports NFSv4 ACLs on both UFS and ZFS file systems; full support is 
expected to be backported to version 8.1[3]. There is an experimental 
implementation of NFSv4 ACLs for Linux.[4]"

 > My original statement is still valid, FreeBSD has still not released a
 > stable version of its OS that fully supports the latest acl standards.

Ignoring the fact that anyone running 8-STABLE has had these for a good 
while, yes, that will be true of FreeBSD -RELEASE versions for days or 
perhaps weeks yet, regarding the newer NFSv4 ACLs.

Can you provide a link to where 'the latest ACL standards' are defined, 
and say which, if any, OS you consider 'fully integrated' with them?

Thanks, Ian