7.2 RELEASE ? Buggy as hell

Andrew Gould andrewlylegould at gmail.com
Fri Jul 31 02:24:56 UTC 2009

On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Mel
Flynn<mel.flynn+fbsd.questions at mailing.thruhere.net> wrote:
> On Thursday 30 July 2009 12:50:11 Andrew Gould wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Adam Vande More<amvandemore at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:32 PM, PJ <af.gourmet at videotron.ca> wrote:
>> >> I have (supposedly, as I am told by my bootup) upgraded to 7.2
>> >> Wonderful. But how do i make this thing work. I've managed to do it on
>> >> an amd64 on an ACER Travelmate 4400 running at 1600mhz.
>> >> This box runs on 3ghz; Xorg comes up and the mouse is dead. Flashplayer9
>> >> with linux-emulator f8 and all the tweaks does not work, acroread9 does
>> >> not either,
>> >> hal is useless. I've tried turning off the option AllowEmptyInput to
>> >> off; i've tried starting hal - and when I run startx, the configuration
>> >> file is the default built-in... I don't understand what the hell is
>> >> going on... None of the solutions on google seem to work either...
>> >> oh, but there is some sunlight in neverneverland... I can boot and I can
>> >> install all kinds of files - funny, I don't want to play with this
>> >> crap... and I certainly am not going to reinstall after all I have gone
>> >> through... If I do reinstall, it will be another OS.
>> >> If it all works on amd64, what's wrong with i386?
>> >> I think it's time to switch to something more reliable.
>> >>
>> >> There's nothing wrong i386, at least in the regard you're suggesting.
>> >>  Try
>> >
>> > searching deeper within yourself for the issue.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Adam Vande More
>> I don't think that answer was helpful.
> It's the right answer though.
>> PJ is not alone in frustration regarding 7.2.  For many users, it's
>> hard to tell whether the balance of difficulties lies in bugs or new
>> manual configuration requirements of 7.2.
>> I think much of the frustration lies in our perception of "STABLE".
>> When we upgraded from 7.1 (or 7.0), we expected a fairly smooth ride.
>> I had frustrations related to X (hal), mounting drives (hal), printing
>> (cups vs applications), and printing (gimp vs hpijs).  Yes, I read the
>> (uncentralized) documentation.
> I think release CD's should not contain packages anymore, cause everything you
> describe here, has absolutely nothing to do with FreeBSD 7.2, but with 3rd
> party software that happened to be packaged at release time.
> You should really be using PCBSD if you want a packaged desktop system, for
> which the developers claim responsibility and for which much (if not all) of
> the configuration has been done for you.
> When using FreeBSD you are expected to understand the handbook, configure
> things on your own and be able to troubleshoot problems and/or provide the
> right information in case you need help. If you can't do this, then FreeBSD is
> not the right tool for you. No harm in that, nobody forces you to use FreeBSD
> nor will convict you for using an OS that suits you better.
> --
> Mel

Your answer is presumptuous.  You've already assumed that my problems
lie in my inability or lack of willingness to read the documentation
and perform configuration.  I have been running X on FreeBSD
successfully since version 4.0 and have been reading documentation and
configuring my system since 2000.  I'm not just talking about X, I'm
talking about postfix, postgresql, samba, apache with webdav over ssl,

I am having far more trouble with a STABLE release than I had with
5.0.  After searching many decentralized sources of the sacred
documentation (when will the brow beating end?) and reconfiguring my
system, I am still having problems.  I have been to PC-BSD and back
again.   I prefer some of my own configurations.

If I, after these 8 to 9 years, am having a surprising level of
difficulty, I would prefer not to be handily dismissed as a spoon-fed

It is easy, and technically correct, to separate the core FreeBSD
system from the ports.  This I grant you.  Beyond the initial
clarification, however, it is not the least bit useful.  To the world
of FreeBSD users, even many of the technically advanced users, FreeBSD
would lose much of its usefulness without the ports.  So, beyond
saying that it's not your problem, what have you accomplished?

I'll get off my soap box now.  If I sound overly frustrated or sound
like I'm ranting, it's because I am accustomed to that sense of
control that FreeBSD provides.....only, I've lost that feeling on the
desktop side.


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