I've just found a new and interesting spam source - legitimate bounce messages

eculp at casasponti.net eculp at casasponti.net
Thu Oct 16 10:29:42 PDT 2008


Chuck Swiger <cswiger at mac.com> escribió:

> On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:38 AM, RW wrote:
>> SPF increases the probability of spam being rejected at the smtp
>> level at MX servers, so my expectation would be that it would exacerbate
>> backscatter not improve it.
>
> The main problem resulting in backscatter happens when forged spam  
> from yourdomain.com get gets sent to a legit MX server which accepts  
> the mail initially, and then generates a bounce due to later spam  
> checking or failed delivery to an invalid user.  The bounces which  
> then get generated by the legit MX are likely to pass spam checking  
> at yourdomain.com.

Exactly what seems to be happening.

>> Many people recommend SPF for backscatter, but I've yet to hear a cogent
>> argument for why it helps beyond the very optimistic hope that spammers
>> will check that their spam is spf compliant.
>
>
> SPF doesn't provide a magic solution to backscatter, but it helps  
> simplify the problem.

It should.

> If spam can be rejected during the SMTP phase rather than accepted,  
> then most spam-spewing malware simply drops the attempted message  
> rather than actually send a bounce to yourdomain.com.  After all,  
> the spammer is looking to deliver spam to lots of different  
> mailboxes, not deliver tons of DSNs to a single mailbox or domain.   
> Failing that, however, any bounces which are being generated are  
> coming from or at least closer to the source of the spam, rather  
> than coming from gmail, hotmail, etc.  And if the spamming machine  
> is forging your domain, then yourdomain.com MX boxes have a decent  
> shot of rejecting the forgeries via hello_checks, RBLs, or other  
> methods.

Thanks Chuck,

ed



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