Why 7.0 is so late ?
jerrymc at msu.edu
Thu Oct 18 12:05:08 PDT 2007
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:26:28PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On 2007-10-17 18:20, Gueven Bay <gueven.bay at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >2007/10/17, Wojciech Puchar <wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl>:
> >>> while companies like Microsoft must publish in time to make the
> >>> share holders
> >> not to mention that microsoft regularly has delays like year.
> >>> happy, FreeBSD can afford to wait until the programmers are
> >>> convinced that their work is good enough for the public.
> > Please,
> > stop mentioning this company in every discussion that "seems" to
> > "attack" *BSD in some way.
> That's not a bad suggestion, in fact. The development process of
> Microsoft is not open to the world (like the one used by the FreeBSD
> Project as a team), so there is no easy way to determine how similar
> or different processes are behind the development and release process
> of the two development teams.
> Educated guesses can always be made, but let's try not to compare apples
> to oranges too much :)
> > Discussing M. - especially their development processes or business
> > tactics - does not accomplish anything for us.
> True, in a way.
> > First acknowledge that FBSD 7 is late. The estimate was for 5 months
> > ago. And if I say to someone I want to meet him at 8 o'clock but
> > arrive 78 hours later, then I am late. Period.
> The release of 7.0-RELEASE *is* late. There are various reasons why
> this has happened, but we are steadily getting there. We now have a
> RELENG_7 branch, and things are only "merged from current" after
> explicit approval by the release-engineering team. The branch is in the
> hands of the RE team, and many issues which were plaguing "HEAD" during
> the summer have been fixed now.
> > So, but the original question was : What is not working _now_ at this
> > moment so that 7 cannot be released _now_ ?
> > The original question was not (I repeat NOT): Which international
> > conspiracy is holding up the developers of FreeBSD 7 from releasing?
> > Without discussing M. or the Illuminati and U.F.O.s and with that
> > guaranteeing that the original question will never be answered you can
> > concentrate on answering OR you can take your "finger" from the reply
> > button/menue point/whatever and wait that maybe a developer will read
> > the original posters mail and answer it.
> > With a curious eye waiting for a real answer to the original question...
> Traditionally, "BSD" has released stuff "when it was ready" and not when
> some marketting team decided that they wanted to release. The FreeBSD
> team has made genuine efforts towards changing this to a more timely
> release schedule (18 months for a new "major" release), but there have
> been some important bits of kernel and userland which were a bit
> unstable and/or were in development until now.
> Without treading on the feet of the release-engineering team, by writing
> stuff which they have not approved, let me just say that we have made a
> lot of positive progress towards a release since last June/July and we
> expect getting a release during the last remaining months of 2007.
> There's still a lot of work to do (i.e. ports to be compiled, tested,
> fixed, or marked as "BROKEN" with the new gcc 4.X compiler suite), but
> we're getting there.
Thanks for the update. It helps.
> - Giorgos
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