freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 184, Issue 3
Eliena Andrews
prabin007 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 26 06:46:15 UTC 2007
Hii,
Can i expect more on "Network Problem in FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p5" on upcoming
digests ???
On 6/26/07, freebsd-questions-request at freebsd.org <
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> 1. Re: Re[2]: How do I get libphp5.so back (Andrew Falanga)
> 2. Re: Regular Freezes (Lowell Gilbert)
> 3. Re: Regular Freezes (Grant Peel)
> 4. Re: More XORG_UPGRADE questions (Lowell Gilbert)
> 5. Re: problem making gnome-applets (Lowell Gilbert)
> 6. Starting again from Scratch (Graham Bentley)
> 7. script to update my ports tree (Olivier Regnier)
> 8. Re: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE / Gnome / Beryl (recipe) (Reid Linnemann)
> 9. Starting Scripts (Scott Mayo)
> 10. Re: Starting again from Scratch (Peter Schuller)
> 11. Hello 1 question about close console (oim)
> 12. Re: Hello 1 question about close console (Bill Moran)
> 13. Re: Permanent apache patch (Roland Smith)
> 14. Re: Starting again from Scratch (Roland Smith)
> 15. Re: Starting Scripts (Kevin Kinsey)
> 16. Repopulating the GENERIC kernel (Tim Daneliuk)
> 17. Re: Gnome2 +FreeBSD , help (Eduardo Viruena Silva)
> 18. Re: Starting again from Scratch (Graham Bentley)
> 19. Re: Starting again from Scratch (Manolis Kiagias)
> 20. Re: Repopulating the GENERIC kernel (Pietro Cerutti)
> 21. Re: Starting again from Scratch (Graham Bentley)
> 22. Re: Starting Scripts (RW)
> 23. Re: Starting again from Scratch (Roland Smith)
> 24. Re: Starting again from Scratch (Graham Bentley)
> 25. Re: Starting again from Scratch (RW)
> 26. Re: questions about floppy disk (Eduardo Viruena Silva)
> 27. Re: Starting again from Scratch (Manolis Kiagias)
> 28. Re: Network Problem in FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p5 (Lowell Gilbert)
> 29. Re: Starting Scripts (Scott Mayo)
> 30. Re: Permanent apache patch (Lowell Gilbert)
> 31. Re: script to update my ports tree (Daniel Bye)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:24:41 -0600
> From: "Andrew Falanga" <af300wsm at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: How do I get libphp5.so back
> To: "User Questions" <freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>
> Message-ID:
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> On 6/24/07, Gerard <gerard at seibercom.net> wrote:
> > On June 23, 2007 at 06:20PM Andrew Falanga wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I found this just before reading this message. I was reading in
> > > UPDATING on something that wasn't quite related to my problem about
> > > PHP and saw a suggestion to do "make config" before upgrading. Well,
> > > I decided to try that and sure enough, the Apache module wasn't
> > > selected.
> > >
> > > I figure what must have happened was some time ago I did a portupgrade
> > > -a and in that I must have deselected that module from the build and
> > > lost it. Thanks again. Everything's working now, even the pgsql
> > > module.
> >
> > Hi Andy,
> >
> > I is always a good idea to run 'make config' or perhaps 'make
> > config-recursive' or 'make config-conditional' in a port before
> > installing it for the first time. Check out 'man ports' for further
> > information.
> >
>
> Thanks, I'll look into this.
>
> Andy
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:50:42 -0400
> From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org>
> Subject: Re: Regular Freezes
> To: "SigmaX asdf" <fydernix at gmail.com>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <448xa8gn2l.fsf at be-well.ilk.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> "SigmaX asdf" <fydernix at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > My FreeBSD 6.1 gateway box keeps freezing totally. It seems to happen
> > when there's a large burst of network traffic on my internal interface
> > (i.e. download, flash movie, I-radio).
> >
> > I've already done a memtest, and it came out clean. Any ideas as to
> > what logs might help me trouble shoot?
>
> I'd still estimate that hardware is more likely than not to be the
> cause of the problem; perhaps a power issue.
>
> If you can get the kernel to dump into the debugger after the freeze,
> that would be a big help.
>
> You didn't mention what kind of Ethernet hardware is involved, but you
> could search for past problems that others may have had.
>
> Even on my fairly low-volume home servers (and firewall), I have found
> that low-quality Ethernet hardware has caused a lot of problems...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:57:50 -0400
> From: "Grant Peel" <gpeel at thenetnow.com>
> Subject: Re: Regular Freezes
> To: <freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>
> Message-ID: <006101c7b730$d1c350a0$6501a8c0 at GRANT>
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>
> Hmm, had exactly the same issue on 6.0.
>
> Turned out to be a filesystem quota issue. Updateing to 6.2 fixed that.
>
> Are quotas enabled?
>
> -Grant
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lowell Gilbert
> To: SigmaX asdf
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Regular Freezes
>
>
> "SigmaX asdf" <fydernix at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > My FreeBSD 6.1 gateway box keeps freezing totally. It seems to happen
> > when there's a large burst of network traffic on my internal interface
> > (i.e. download, flash movie, I-radio).
> >
> > I've already done a memtest, and it came out clean. Any ideas as to
> > what logs might help me trouble shoot?
>
> I'd still estimate that hardware is more likely than not to be the
> cause of the problem; perhaps a power issue.
>
> If you can get the kernel to dump into the debugger after the freeze,
> that would be a big help.
>
> You didn't mention what kind of Ethernet hardware is involved, but you
> could search for past problems that others may have had.
>
> Even on my fairly low-volume home servers (and firewall), I have found
> that low-quality Ethernet hardware has caused a lot of problems...
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:04:44 -0400
> From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org>
> Subject: Re: More XORG_UPGRADE questions
> To: Blah Blatz <blahblatz at yahoo.com>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
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> Blah Blatz <blahblatz at yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > Thanks for the responses to the previous ones.
> >
> > If I have successfully upgraded to xorg 7.2, and later I want to do
> > a portupgrade of my installed ports to a newer version, and those
> > include xorg or some xorg-related ports, do I have to again make
> > sure that XORG_UPGRADE is set?
> >
> > Or, after having successfully upgraded to 7.2, can I forget about
> > XORG_UPGRADE forever (at least, until the next time that I install
> > xorg on a fresh box)?
> >
> > How long is it planned/expected to be so that people installing on a
> > fresh box (or, depending on the answer to that last question,
> > upgrading their existing 7.2+) have to know/remember XORG_UPGRADE?
> >
> > If I use portupgrade-devel to upgrade to 7.2, can I then go back to
> > plain old portupgrade and not have to worry about it screwing up
> > future updates to xorg/xorg-related stuff, or do I have to keep
> > portupgrade-devel indefinitely?
>
> As far as I can see, the variable won't have an effect on your future
> upgrades. I plan on sticking with portupgrade-devel until the regular
> version catches up to where the -devel version is at now.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:10:30 -0400
> From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org>
> Subject: Re: problem making gnome-applets
> To: Blah Blatz <blahblatz at yahoo.com>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <44tzswf7l5.fsf at be-well.ilk.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Blah Blatz <blahblatz at yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > I'm trying to make /usr/ports/x11/gnome2, and it's failing in
> /usr/ports/x11/gnome-applets. More specifically, in charpick/help, when
> it's trying to do an xml2po on char-palette.xml. Here's the interesting
> part of the output:
> >
> > gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/x11/gnome-applets/work/gnome-
> applets-2.18.0/charpick/help'
> > if ! test -d bg/; then mkdir bg/; fi
> > case "." in /*) sd=".";; *) sd="../.";; esac; \
> > if [ -f "C/char-palette.xml" ]; then d="../"; else d="$sd/"; fi; \
> > (cd bg/ && \
> > `which xml2po` -e -p \
> > "${d}bg/bg.po" \
> > "${d}C/char-palette.xml" > char-palette.xml.tmp && \
> > cp char-palette.xml.tmp char-palette.xml && rm -f
> char-palette.xml.tmp)
> > Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> > gmake[3]: *** [bg/char-palette.xml] Error 139
> >
> > There's a python core file in there, so I'm guessing that python is the
> thing that actually exploded.
> >
> > Anybody have any suggestions?
>
>
> You can always install from packages...
>
> First guesses would be that either your python installation or your
> memory is corrupt. Also, make sure that you clean the directory
> before trying to build the port (gnome-applets, in particular) again.
>
> --
> Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
> http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:18:58 +0100
> From: Graham Bentley <admin at cpcnw.co.uk>
> Subject: Starting again from Scratch
> To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070625151858.20ee23ad at 3bsd.cpcnw.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> OK, I am fairly new to FreeBSD and returning from a long while away.
>
> I am currently working on an install I have performed from the 6.2
> release discs I downloaded several days ago.
>
> I chose X-Kern-Dev install and have a mixed bag of pkg_add -r
> packages, some programs I have downloaded and compiled from source
> from developers sites (Claws-mail and Xfce4 to name 2) as well as
> apps I cd'ed into into /usr/ports/name and made [nvidia for 1]
>
> Whilst I am aware there are more than serveral ways of doing things
> and for different reasons I am inviting advice on my target install
> which is a 'desktop' for basic office use, based on Xfce4.
>
> I would like to thank Nikola for his advice and also ask what is
> the generally accepted method of installing / keeping updated way
> of getting things done?
>
> I am only aware of the names cvsup, portupgrade, portmanager,
> portsnap, make world etc and am getting this round my neck a
> bit but this is what I have summized ;
>
> 1) Do basic [minimal] install of 6.2 rel from disc 1
> 2) pkg_add cvsup-without-gui and get the latest ports installed
> 3) Build *everything* from this ports tree [including base/kernel?]
> 4) Find out how to keep updated / informed on updates to packages
> I have installed, and do so where necessary.
>
> If anyone can advise, point me in the direction of tutorials
> or step by steps, on the above It would be greatly appreciated.
>
> I would like to understand why its not so great to just install
> everything from pkg_add, whats the advantages of ports etc
>
> Until then I am enjoying using my i386-unknown-freebsd6.2
> installation - even if it more by good luck than good management :)
>
> Thanks in advance of time spent in replying !
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:51:39 +0200
> From: Olivier Regnier <oregnier at oregnier.net>
> Subject: script to update my ports tree
> To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <467FD67B.9070604 at oregnier.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I made a shell script in /etc/periodic/daily/610.update-ports-tree and
> in my /etc/periodic.conf, this line :
> daily_update_ports_tree_enable="YES".
>
> The problem is simple, my script doesn't start at all.
>
> Can you help me please ?
>
> Thank you :)
>
>
> -------------- next part --------------
> #!/bin/sh
>
> # if there is a global system configuration file, suck it in.
> #
> if [ -r /etc/defaults/periodic.conf ]
> then
> . /etc/defaults/periodic.conf
> source_periodic_confs
> fi
>
> COUNTRIE=us
> RETVAL=0
> DATE=`date +%d/%m/%Y`
> LOGFILE=/var/log/system-update-report.log
>
> selectserver() {
> # Checking fastest cvs server
> server=`/usr/local/bin/fastest_cvsup -c $COUNTRIE | grep "1st" | \
> awk {'print $3'}`
>
> # Creating supfile
> sed "s/*default host=.*/*default host=$server/" \
> /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile > /etc/ports-supfile
> }
>
> case "$daily_update_ports_tree_enable" in
> [Yy][Ee][Ss])
>
> # Begin
> selectserver
>
> # Fetching sources files
> /usr/bin/csup /etc/ports-supfile
> RETVAL=$?
> if [ $RETVAL != 0 ]
> then
> echo "-> $DATE - Ports tree: error while fetching sources
> files." \
> >> $LOGFILE
> exit 0
> fi
>
> # Creating INDEX.db file
> /usr/local/sbin/portsdb -Fu
> RETVAL=$?
> if [ $RETVAL != 0 ]
> then
> echo "-> $DATE - Ports tree: error while creating INDEX.dbfile" \
> >> $LOGFILE
> exit 0
> fi
>
> # Checking if applications needs to be updated
> LIST=`/usr/local/sbin/portversion -l "<"`
> RETVAL=$?
> if [ $RETVAL != 0 ]
> then
> echo "-> $DATE - Ports tree: error while checking updates"
> \
> >> $LOGFILE
> exit 0
> fi
>
> # Result
> if [ "$LIST" = "" ]
> then
> echo "-> $DATE - Ports tree: Up-To-Date" >> $LOGFILE
> else
> echo -e "-> $DATE - Ports tree: Up-To-Date. Here is list
> of \
> applications needs to be updated.\n\n$LIST" >> $LOGFILE
> fi
> *) rc=0;;
> esac
>
> exit $rc
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:59:28 -0500
> From: Reid Linnemann <lreid at cs.okstate.edu>
> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE / Gnome / Beryl (recipe)
> To: Eduardo Viruena Silva <mrspock at esfm.ipn.mx>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <467FD850.7090702 at cs.okstate.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Written by Eduardo Viruena Silva on 06/22/07 19:05>>
> > ----------------
> > I have to thank to Reid Linnemann from the freebsd-questions list,
> > for suggesting me compile 6.2-STABLE, and to Jose Luis Enriquez,
> > for helping me to configure X.
> > ----------------
> >
> > Hope it helps.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Eduardo.
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> Glad you got it working. I'm running Beryl on my workstation with an
> intel i865G. I've notice sometimes I run into shm starvation, either
> causing apps like firefox to fail to run or beryl to paint windows with
> empty textures. If you run in to this, try increasing the sysctl
> kern.ipc.shmall. I doubled the default value of 8192 (I think this is in
> bytes) to 16384 and I've not hit any more problems.
>
> I've noticed GLX performance on the intel to be fabulous, using NVIDIA I
> currently get atrocious frame rates (sub-frame-per-second) on glxgears.
> I haven't tested on an ATI chip yet.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:18:30 -0500
> From: Scott Mayo <sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us>
> Subject: Starting Scripts
> To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <467FDCC6.5090404 at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I have set some things to automatically start in the rc.conf like ssh
> and apache by doing 'sshd_enable="YES"' and 'apache22_enable="YES"'. How
> do I start things like Zope and Cyrus?
>
> From the command line I can just:
>
> '/usr/local/cyrus/bin master &' for cyrus
>
> '/data/home/testuser/zope28/bin/zopectl start' for my instance of zope.
>
> I use to add lines like this to the rc.local file in linux to get them
> started. I was thinking that I read that this could still be done in
> FreeBSD, but was not the preferred way to do it.
>
> From looking at the scripts in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d', it looks like
> there are different ways. For zope it says that I can define
> 'zope28_enable : "YES"' in '/etc/rc.conf', '/etc/rc.conf.local' or
> '/etc/rc.conf/zope28', so I guess that I just add 'zope28_enable :
> "YES"' to my rc.conf?
>
> Then the imapd script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d says to:
>
> move imapd.sh to '/etc/rc.d/cyrus_imapd' and define the cyrus_imapd_* in
> '/etc/rc.conf', '/etc/rc.conf.local' or 'etc/rc.conf.d/cyrus_imapd'.
>
> Then it shows '[ -z "$cyrus_imapd_enable" ] && cyrus_imapd_enable="NO"'
> and [-z "$cyrus_imapd_flags" ] && cyrus_imapd_flags="-d"'.
>
> Do I enter both of those commands in the '/etc/rc.conf' just as shown?
> I assume the "NO" will be "YES". These two lines have me a bit baffled.
>
> I guess that I am still a bit confused on the '/etc/rc.d' and the
> '/usr/local/etc/rc.d' directories. There is no imapd.sh in
> '/usr/local/etc/rc.d', but it is only imapd. This has had me confused
> because in the FreeBSD handbook it talked about the scripts here would
> all end in .sh, but none of them do. The way that it read, if there was
> an '.sh' file in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d' then that script would be run at
> bootup.
>
> Thanks for any help. I am just trying to get a good grasp on exactly
> how things work here. I thought I understood it from reading the
> handbook, but then it seems a bit different when I get on the server.
>
>
> --
> Scott Mayo
> System Administrator
> Bloomfield Schools
>
> Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it
> holds the universe together.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:31:03 +0200
> From: Peter Schuller <peter.schuller at infidyne.com>
> Subject: Re: Starting again from Scratch
> To: Graham Bentley <admin at cpcnw.co.uk>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <467FDFB7.1030600 at infidyne.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> > 4) Find out how to keep updated / informed on updates to packages
> > I have installed, and do so where necessary.
> >
> > If anyone can advise, point me in the direction of tutorials
> > or step by steps, on the above It would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I would like to understand why its not so great to just install
> > everything from pkg_add, whats the advantages of ports etc
>
> Sorry, I don't know of a HOWTO specifically addressing it all like that.
> But I can say that I always use pkg_add -v -r on initial installs (for
> speed), and *then* upgrade using portmanager.
>
> Lately I have started using a jail for building binary packages of
> everything I want installed, and then doing a global upgrade by removing
> all packages and installing the binary packages built in the jail. It's
> fiddly, but works well in the end, and avoids problems you can run into
> with portmanager as well as minimizing the time during which your
> machine is not fully populated with packages.
>
> As for portupgrade, I have honestly never understood how anyone manages
> to use it for upgrades without difficulties. Whenever I try I run into
> problems almost immediately, having to do with packages not getting
> rebuilt even though they should and/or stale dependencies and whatnot in
> the pkgtools package database. If someone has magic information here I'd
> love to hear it.
>
> --
> / Peter Schuller
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 16:18:01 +0400
> From: oim <oim37 at mail.ru>
> Subject: Hello 1 question about close console
> To: freebsd-questions at FreeBSD.org
> Message-ID: <E1I2nW5-0009TX-00.oim37-mail-ru at f30.mail.ru>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r
>
> Hello!
>
> I have a question about this situation.
>
> In home work Pc with FreeBSD Server, real ip and real domain name.
> When i remote connect ssh2 (consose) from my work.. make on server some..
> compile program from ports
>
> And some time later i need to close console, but i want, what session not
> close and compile processing.
>
> If i disconect from console all job stop. How disconect from console and
> come back to my session?
>
> Thank you very much!!!
>
> With Best Regards E.A.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:52:02 -0400
> From: Bill Moran <wmoran at potentialtech.com>
> Subject: Re: Hello 1 question about close console
> To: oim <oim37 at mail.ru>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at FreeBSD.org
> Message-ID: <20070625115202.d07609d9.wmoran at potentialtech.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> In response to oim <oim37 at mail.ru>:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > I have a question about this situation.
> >
> > In home work Pc with FreeBSD Server, real ip and real domain name.
> > When i remote connect ssh2 (consose) from my work.. make on server
> some.. compile program from ports
> >
> > And some time later i need to close console, but i want, what session
> not close and compile processing.
> >
> > If i disconect from console all job stop. How disconect from console and
> come back to my session?
> >
> > Thank you very much!!!
>
> Install/use /usr/ports/sysutils/screen
>
> --
> Bill Moran
> http://www.potentialtech.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:53:11 +0200
> From: Roland Smith <rsmith at xs4all.nl>
> Subject: Re: Permanent apache patch
> To: Josh <bsd at kajs.co.nz>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070625155311.GA28294 at slackbox.xs4all.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 09:01:21PM +1200, Josh wrote:
> > Gidday there,
> >
> > I have my own change to suexec in apache 2.0 from ports.
> >
> > What I want to know is the best way to have my patch applied each time
> I
> > compile apache, without too much effort from me?
>
> The best way is to get the patch added into the port, if the maintainer
> is willing. :-)
>
> > Eg, say for the sake of example my patch is in /usr/local/src/foopatch/
> >
> > How would I get the ports system to apply it each time I compiled
> apache?
>
> Just put it in the files subdirectory under the port directory, just
> before you build the port. Look at other patches to see from which
> directory they are applied, and make yours match.
>
> Unfortunately most port update tools will delete files that are not in
> the master tree.
>
> Roland
> --
> R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:08:45 +0200
> From: Roland Smith <rsmith at xs4all.nl>
> Subject: Re: Starting again from Scratch
> To: Graham Bentley <admin at cpcnw.co.uk>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070625160844.GB28294 at slackbox.xs4all.nl>
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>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 03:18:58PM +0100, Graham Bentley wrote:
> > OK, I am fairly new to FreeBSD and returning from a long while away.
> >
> > I am currently working on an install I have performed from the 6.2
> > release discs I downloaded several days ago.
> >
> > I chose X-Kern-Dev install and have a mixed bag of pkg_add -r
> > packages, some programs I have downloaded and compiled from source
> > from developers sites (Claws-mail and Xfce4 to name 2) as well as
> > apps I cd'ed into into /usr/ports/name and made [nvidia for 1]
>
> <snip>
>
> > I am only aware of the names cvsup, portupgrade, portmanager,
> > portsnap, make world etc and am getting this round my neck a
> > bit but this is what I have summized ;
> >
> > 1) Do basic [minimal] install of 6.2 rel from disc 1
> > 2) pkg_add cvsup-without-gui and get the latest ports installed
>
> No need for that anymore. A rewrite of cvsup in C called csup is part of
> the base system in 6.2.
>
> > 3) Build *everything* from this ports tree [including base/kernel?]
> > 4) Find out how to keep updated / informed on updates to packages
> > I have installed, and do so where necessary.
>
> That's what you use portmaster(8) or portmanager(8) for. (I use portmaster
> now).
>
> For updating the ports tree, I use portsnap(8).
>
> First time that you use it:
>
> # portsnap fetch extract
>
> After that;
>
> # portsnap fetch update
>
> Getting a list of installed ports, inluding available updates:
>
> $ portmaster -L >ports.list
>
> If you read the list, you'll see which ones have updates available.
>
> First thing to do is read /usr/ports/UPDATING. Skipping this might leave
> you with broken ports, in which case you get to keep both pieces.
>
> Next you usually update your ports with e.g;
>
> # portmaster -B -d <name_of_port>
>
> Unless UPDATING tells you otherwise. Do read the manual pages of the
> tools you're using.
>
> > If anyone can advise, point me in the direction of tutorials
> > or step by steps, on the above It would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I would like to understand why its not so great to just install
> > everything from pkg_add, whats the advantages of ports etc
>
> With pkg_add you get the default options for the port (if any). That
> might not be what you want. And not all configuration options can be set
> with the OPTIONS mechanism.
> See http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/freebsd/index.html#make.conf
>
> Roland
> --
> R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:25:35 -0500
> From: Kevin Kinsey <kdk at daleco.biz>
> Subject: Re: Starting Scripts
> To: sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <467FEC7F.4020800 at daleco.biz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Scott Mayo wrote:
>
> Hello from SW Missouri!
>
> > I have set some things to automatically start in the rc.conf like ssh
> > and apache by doing 'sshd_enable="YES"' and 'apache22_enable="YES"'. How
> > do I start things like Zope and Cyrus?
> >
> > From the command line I can just:
> >
> > '/usr/local/cyrus/bin master &' for cyrus
> >
> > '/data/home/testuser/zope28/bin/zopectl start' for my instance of zope.
>
> And, you could add these to your crontab ('crontab -e') or root's
> with the special string "@reboot" pre-pended, and it would work.
>
> But, that's not "by the book", just an illustration of how
> the 'Nix philosophy "tools, not policy" still applies.
>
> > I use to add lines like this to the rc.local file in linux to get them
> > started. I was thinking that I read that this could still be done in
> > FreeBSD, but was not the preferred way to do it.
> >
> > From looking at the scripts in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d', it looks like
> > there are different ways. For zope it says that I can define
> > 'zope28_enable : "YES"' in '/etc/rc.conf', '/etc/rc.conf.local' or
> > '/etc/rc.conf/zope28', so I guess that I just add 'zope28_enable :
> > "YES"' to my rc.conf?
>
> I would expect that the format would be the same as the other
> daemons, e.g.:
>
> zope28_enable="YES"
>
> Similar with whatever you decide to name the imapd script.
>
> For a full discussion, see rc(8), rc.conf(5), rc.subr(8),
> rcorder(8), etc.
>
>
> > Thanks for any help. I am just trying to get a good grasp on exactly
> > how things work here. I thought I understood it from reading the
> > handbook, but then it seems a bit different when I get on the server.
> >
> H.A.N.D.!
> --
> Q: How many college football players does it take to screw in a
> lightbulb?
> A: Only one, but he gets three credits for it.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:34:14 -0500
> From: Tim Daneliuk <tundra at tundraware.com>
> Subject: Repopulating the GENERIC kernel
> To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <467FEE86.5020601 at tundraware.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I have a production 6.2 STABLE machine w/something like this in
> /etc/make.conf:
>
> KERNCONF=MYKERN SMP GENERIC
>
> When I do a 'make kernel', as I understand it, all three kernels get
> *build* but only
> MYKERN actually gets installed.
>
> So ... how do I get the latest version of GENERIC (that I just compiled
> per the above)
> "installed" into /boot *without* it actually being the active
> kernel. IOW, I want
> my kernel build to *install* MYKERN as the active kernel and refresh
> GENERIC just in
> case I need it to recover a failed boot...
>
>
> TIA,
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:33:21 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Eduardo Viruena Silva <mrspock at esfm.ipn.mx>
> Subject: Re: Gnome2 +FreeBSD , help
> To: dhaneshk k <dhaneshkk at hotmail.com>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070625112703.D52289 at Gina.esfm.ipn.mx>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, dhaneshk k wrote:
>
> > Hi all ,
> >
> > To install Gnome Desktop environment for FreeBSD -6.2 , which method
> is
> > most suitable and less time consumable ,
> >
> > 1 . I m plannig to do a portinstall
> > /usr/ports/x11/gnome2 (how much time it will take on a normal p4 , 512
> DDR
> > machine ? ) I heard it will take 3 days or more is it ?
>
> "normal p4" does not tell us anything about its frequency.
> in a core-duo 3GHz it took about 12 hours in being compiled.
>
> >
> > 2 . is ther any speedy way to install Gnome desktop other than
> this ?
> > if so which is that method ? how much time will it take ?
> >
>
> try:
> sysinstall
> configure
> packages
>
>
> > 3 . In FreeBSdD6.2 release , what the role of the ISO image Disk No
> 2 ? I
> > finished my installation with 6.2 ISO image disk 1 , whats more in disk
> 2 ,
> > while installation its is not asking Disc2, is it not necessary ?
> >
>
> disc 2 contains additional packages, I believe gnome is in disc 2.
>
> >
> > pls give your comments on these matters ..It will hep me a lot
> >
> > thanks in advance
> > dhanesh
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:51:44 +0100
> From: Graham Bentley <admin at cpcnw.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Starting again from Scratch
> To: Roland Smith <rsmith at xs4all.nl>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070625175144.6f145b7f at 3bsd.cpcnw.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:08:45 +0200
> Roland Smith <rsmith at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> > That's what you use portmaster(8) or portmanager(8) for. (I use
> > portmaster now).
> >
> > For updating the ports tree, I use portsnap(8).
> >
> > First time that you use it:
> >
> > # portsnap fetch extract
> >
> > After that;
> >
> > # portsnap fetch update
> >
> > Getting a list of installed ports, inluding available updates:
> >
> > $ portmaster -L >ports.list
> >
> > If you read the list, you'll see which ones have updates available.
> >
> > First thing to do is read /usr/ports/UPDATING. Skipping this might
> > leave you with broken ports, in which case you get to keep both
> > pieces.
> >
> > Next you usually update your ports with e.g;
> >
> > # portmaster -B -d <name_of_port>
> >
> > Unless UPDATING tells you otherwise. Do read the manual pages of the
> > tools you're using.
>
> So, if I where to start again, I would ;
>
> 1) Install 'minimal' distrib from 6.2 rel CD1
> 2) portsnap fetch extract
> 3) make install my system
>
> Then in future use portmaster as you say ?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:04:44 +0300
> From: Manolis Kiagias <sonicy at otenet.gr>
> Subject: Re: Starting again from Scratch
> To: Graham Bentley <admin at cpcnw.co.uk>
> Cc: "freebsd-questions at freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>
> Message-ID: <467FF5AC.3020902 at otenet.gr>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Graham Bentley wrote:
> > OK, I am fairly new to FreeBSD and returning from a long while away.
> >
> > I am currently working on an install I have performed from the 6.2
> > release discs I downloaded several days ago.
> >
> > I chose X-Kern-Dev install and have a mixed bag of pkg_add -r
> > packages, some programs I have downloaded and compiled from source
> > from developers sites (Claws-mail and Xfce4 to name 2) as well as
> > apps I cd'ed into into /usr/ports/name and made [nvidia for 1]
> >
> > Whilst I am aware there are more than serveral ways of doing things
> > and for different reasons I am inviting advice on my target install
> > which is a 'desktop' for basic office use, based on Xfce4.
> >
> > I would like to thank Nikola for his advice and also ask what is
> > the generally accepted method of installing / keeping updated way
> > of getting things done?
> >
> > I am only aware of the names cvsup, portupgrade, portmanager,
> > portsnap, make world etc and am getting this round my neck a
> > bit but this is what I have summized ;
> >
> > 1) Do basic [minimal] install of 6.2 rel from disc 1
> > 2) pkg_add cvsup-without-gui and get the latest ports installed
> > 3) Build *everything* from this ports tree [including base/kernel?]
> > 4) Find out how to keep updated / informed on updates to packages
> > I have installed, and do so where necessary.
> >
> > If anyone can advise, point me in the direction of tutorials
> > or step by steps, on the above It would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > I would like to understand why its not so great to just install
> > everything from pkg_add, whats the advantages of ports etc
> >
> > Until then I am enjoying using my i386-unknown-freebsd6.2
> > installation - even if it more by good luck than good management :)
> >
> > Thanks in advance of time spent in replying !
> >
> >
> You will hear many different opinions on this one, and I really doubt
> there is one true answer (TM)
> It all comes down IMHO to what amount of time you really want to spend
> on configuring / updating your system, how important it is for you to
> have the "latest and greatest" and what you are going to use it for.
> I will try to answer some of your questions from my point of view, but
> in any case you will probably receive lots of answers which may
> contradict and you should examine each of them to decide which suits
> your ideas better.
> First of all, to save you the trouble of installing cvsup from ports or
> packages, bear in mind the base system already has a utlity called csup,
> functionality is the same, you do not have to install anything. The
> handbook is simply not yet updated on this one.
>
> - Packages vs ports: Packages tend to be outdated. Most of the time the
> packages you get when you do a pkg_add -r something are the ones that
> came out during the RELEASE. There is a (rather little) known env.
> variable called PACKAGESITE which can be set to another location for pkg
> downloads so you get latest packages.
> See the important note in
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.html
> - Ports: Using ports will allow you to get the "latest and greatest"
> software that is available for compiling (assuming you use csup or
> cvsup). Bear in mind the big ports like Gnome or Xorg make take hours
> (or days...) to compile, and in particular if your hardware is modest or
> memory limited, you may run out of patience waiting. In fact waiting for
> something like an Xorg upgrade to compile is completely counter
> productive if you wish to get a machine to production use quickly. When
> you gain more experience in BSD and have a few machines available you
> could use them to create ready packages for your other systems. Ports
> may become complicated - sometimes they will not compile, either due to
> the port itself being faulty at the particular moment or conflicting
> with something else you have installed. I particularly dislike the idea
> of mixing ports and packages at the same time on my systems.
> -Basic installations: If you wish to make a server with no graphic
> environment (as almost all servers should be IMO) you will probably not
> need any super-big ports to be compiled and in this case I would go for
> a complete ports-based system. I would use custom install and install
> everything but X, the ports collection, and no packages. The csup the
> ports, compile essential things (like bash for me) and any servers
> (apache, mysql etc) from ports . These are not very intensive and you
> will get your server running in a reasonable amount of time. Also
> compile portupgrade (or portupgrade-devel) to help keep your ports up to
> date. I also recommend portaudit which checks for security issues in
> your currently installed ports. It will even send you updates about them.
> -Compiling the kernel / building the world: There seems to be some
> confusion here around many people. Having installed the base system with
> full sources you can compile and install your own custom kernel at any
> time. See:
>
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html
> IF HOWEVER you upgrade the system sources using csup (this does NOT have
> to do with ports, you need a different supfile to update system sources)
> you will move your system to the -STABLE branch. In this case you will
> need to recompile not only the kernel but also the complete set of base
> programs and utilities, what people refer to as building the world.
> After you build the world, you can rebuild the kernel as many times as
> you like assuming you don't change sources (csup again).
> For most applications you may find that simply rebuilding the kernel
> from the RELEASE sources you already have is good enough. In fact you
> may continue using the GENERIC kernel if you like. I assume quite a few
> people build their own kernel just for the experience and the fun in it
> :) The process is very well documented and quite "easy".
>
> There are quite a few other points / ports / programs, but this post is
> getting very long anyway. Enjoy your new system and read the FreeBSD
> handbook. It is a superb reference and your best friend (along with this
> list :))
>
> Manolis
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:07:02 +0200
> From: Pietro Cerutti <gahr at gahr.ch>
> Subject: Re: Repopulating the GENERIC kernel
> To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Cc: tundra at tundraware.com
> Message-ID: <467FF636.6060708 at gahr.ch>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Tim Daneliuk wrote:
> > I have a production 6.2 STABLE machine w/something like this in
> /etc/make.conf:
> >
> > KERNCONF=MYKERN SMP GENERIC
> >
> > When I do a 'make kernel', as I understand it, all three kernels get
> *build* but only
> > MYKERN actually gets installed.
> >
> > So ... how do I get the latest version of GENERIC (that I just compiled
> per the above)
> > "installed" into /boot *without* it actually being the active
> kernel. IOW, I want
> > my kernel build to *install* MYKERN as the active kernel and refresh
> GENERIC just in
> > case I need it to recover a failed boot...
>
> try with
>
> make buildkernel
> make installkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC INSTKERNNAME=GENERIC
> make installkernel KERNCONF=SMP INSTKERNNAME=SMP
> make installkernel KERNCONF=MYKERN INSTKERNNAME=MYKERN
>
> then set the name of the kernel that you want to boot off in
> /boot/loader.conf, as
>
> kernel=MYKERN
>
> I don't know if there's an automatized way to perform the same...
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> > TIA,
>
> --
> Pietro Cerutti
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:14:26 +0100
> From: Graham Bentley <admin at cpcnw.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Starting again from Scratch
> To: Manolis Kiagias <sonicy at otenet.gr>
> Cc: "freebsd-questions at freebsd.org" <freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>
> Message-ID: <20070625181426.3d55f801 at 3bsd.cpcnw.co.uk>
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>
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:04:44 +0300
> Manolis Kiagias <sonicy at otenet.gr> wrote:
>
> > Graham Bentley wrote:
> > > OK, I am fairly new to FreeBSD and returning from a long while away.
> > >
> > > I am currently working on an install I have performed from the 6.2
> > > release discs I downloaded several days ago.
> > >
> > > I chose X-Kern-Dev install and have a mixed bag of pkg_add -r
> > > packages, some programs I have downloaded and compiled from source
> > > from developers sites (Claws-mail and Xfce4 to name 2) as well as
> > > apps I cd'ed into into /usr/ports/name and made [nvidia for 1]
> > >
> > > Whilst I am aware there are more than serveral ways of doing things
> > > and for different reasons I am inviting advice on my target install
> > > which is a 'desktop' for basic office use, based on Xfce4.
> > >
> > > I would like to thank Nikola for his advice and also ask what is
> > > the generally accepted method of installing / keeping updated way
> > > of getting things done?
> > >
> > > I am only aware of the names cvsup, portupgrade, portmanager,
> > > portsnap, make world etc and am getting this round my neck a
> > > bit but this is what I have summized ;
> > >
> > > 1) Do basic [minimal] install of 6.2 rel from disc 1
> > > 2) pkg_add cvsup-without-gui and get the latest ports installed
> > > 3) Build *everything* from this ports tree [including base/kernel?]
> > > 4) Find out how to keep updated / informed on updates to packages
> > > I have installed, and do so where necessary.
> > >
> > > If anyone can advise, point me in the direction of tutorials
> > > or step by steps, on the above It would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > I would like to understand why its not so great to just install
> > > everything from pkg_add, whats the advantages of ports etc
> > >
> > > Until then I am enjoying using my i386-unknown-freebsd6.2
> > > installation - even if it more by good luck than good management :)
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance of time spent in replying !
> > >
> > >
> > You will hear many different opinions on this one, and I really doubt
> > there is one true answer (TM)
> > It all comes down IMHO to what amount of time you really want to spend
> > on configuring / updating your system, how important it is for you to
> > have the "latest and greatest" and what you are going to use it for.
> > I will try to answer some of your questions from my point of view, but
> > in any case you will probably receive lots of answers which may
> > contradict and you should examine each of them to decide which suits
> > your ideas better.
> > First of all, to save you the trouble of installing cvsup from ports
> > or packages, bear in mind the base system already has a utlity called
> > csup, functionality is the same, you do not have to install anything.
> > The handbook is simply not yet updated on this one.
> >
> > - Packages vs ports: Packages tend to be outdated. Most of the time
> > the packages you get when you do a pkg_add -r something are the ones
> > that came out during the RELEASE. There is a (rather little) known
> > env. variable called PACKAGESITE which can be set to another location
> > for pkg downloads so you get latest packages.
> > See the important note in
> >
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/packages-using.html
> > - Ports: Using ports will allow you to get the "latest and greatest"
> > software that is available for compiling (assuming you use csup or
> > cvsup). Bear in mind the big ports like Gnome or Xorg make take hours
> > (or days...) to compile, and in particular if your hardware is modest
> > or memory limited, you may run out of patience waiting. In fact
> > waiting for something like an Xorg upgrade to compile is completely
> > counter productive if you wish to get a machine to production use
> > quickly. When you gain more experience in BSD and have a few machines
> > available you could use them to create ready packages for your other
> > systems. Ports may become complicated - sometimes they will not
> > compile, either due to the port itself being faulty at the particular
> > moment or conflicting with something else you have installed. I
> > particularly dislike the idea of mixing ports and packages at the
> > same time on my systems. -Basic installations: If you wish to make a
> > server with no graphic environment (as almost all servers should be
> > IMO) you will probably not need any super-big ports to be compiled
> > and in this case I would go for a complete ports-based system. I
> > would use custom install and install everything but X, the ports
> > collection, and no packages. The csup the ports, compile essential
> > things (like bash for me) and any servers (apache, mysql etc) from
> > ports . These are not very intensive and you will get your server
> > running in a reasonable amount of time. Also compile portupgrade (or
> > portupgrade-devel) to help keep your ports up to date. I also
> > recommend portaudit which checks for security issues in your
> > currently installed ports. It will even send you updates about them.
> > -Compiling the kernel / building the world: There seems to be some
> > confusion here around many people. Having installed the base system
> > with full sources you can compile and install your own custom kernel
> > at any time. See:
> >
> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html
> > IF HOWEVER you upgrade the system sources using csup (this does NOT
> > have to do with ports, you need a different supfile to update system
> > sources) you will move your system to the -STABLE branch. In this
> > case you will need to recompile not only the kernel but also the
> > complete set of base programs and utilities, what people refer to as
> > building the world. After you build the world, you can rebuild the
> > kernel as many times as you like assuming you don't change sources
> > (csup again). For most applications you may find that simply
> > rebuilding the kernel from the RELEASE sources you already have is
> > good enough. In fact you may continue using the GENERIC kernel if you
> > like. I assume quite a few people build their own kernel just for the
> > experience and the fun in it :) The process is very well documented
> > and quite "easy".
> >
> > There are quite a few other points / ports / programs, but this post
> > is getting very long anyway. Enjoy your new system and read the
> > FreeBSD handbook. It is a superb reference and your best friend
> > (along with this list :))
> >
> > Manolis
> >
>
> Thanks for the reply Manolis. As I mentioned in my first post, this
> isnt for an important server, its just for 'desktop' use, for my own
> amusement, a learning platform. I dont actually need the 'latest and
> greatest' bleeding edge code, more so a reliable system for everyday
> work, that I dont really want to spend too long tinkering but more
> time using. As you say, I also wondered whether its worth me updating
> X or building world, just to send some email and browse the web :)
>
> I have in the past built a new kernel and it did seem faster so maybe
> that was a worthy tweak on a rainy night !!!
>
> Best wishes to all !!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:16:16 +0100
> From: RW <fbsd06 at mlists.homeunix.com>
> Subject: Re: Starting Scripts
> To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Cc: sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us
> Message-ID: <20070625181616.41a207b3 at gumby.homeunix.com.>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:18:30 -0500
> Scott Mayo <sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us> wrote:
>
> > I have set some things to automatically start in the rc.conf like ssh
> > and apache by doing 'sshd_enable="YES"' and 'apache22_enable="YES"'.
> > How do I start things like Zope and Cyrus?
> >
> > From the command line I can just:
> >
> > '/usr/local/cyrus/bin master &' for cyrus
> >
> > '/data/home/testuser/zope28/bin/zopectl start' for my instance of
> > zope.
> >
> > I use to add lines like this to the rc.local file in linux to get
> > them started. I was thinking that I read that this could still be
> > done in FreeBSD, but was not the preferred way to do it.
> >
> > From looking at the scripts in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d', it looks like
> > there are different ways. For zope it says that I can define
> > 'zope28_enable : "YES"' in '/etc/rc.conf', '/etc/rc.conf.local' or
> > '/etc/rc.conf/zope28', so I guess that I just add 'zope28_enable :
> > "YES"' to my rc.conf?
> >
> > Then the imapd script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d says to:
> >
> > move imapd.sh to '/etc/rc.d/cyrus_imapd'
>
> Don't do that - see below.
>
>
> >and define the cyrus_imapd_*
> > in '/etc/rc.conf', '/etc/rc.conf.local' or
> > 'etc/rc.conf.d/cyrus_imapd'.
> >
> > Then it shows '[ -z "$cyrus_imapd_enable" ] &&
> > cyrus_imapd_enable="NO"' and [-z "$cyrus_imapd_flags" ] &&
> > cyrus_imapd_flags="-d"'.
> >
> > Do I enter both of those commands in the '/etc/rc.conf' just as
> > shown? I assume the "NO" will be "YES". These two lines have me a
> > bit baffled.
>
> Those lines are setting defaults, you can override them by defining
> the variables in rc.conf. *All* rc.d scripts are run startup it's just
> that those that aren't enabled don't do anything.
>
> > I guess that I am still a bit confused on the '/etc/rc.d' and the
> > '/usr/local/etc/rc.d' directories. There is no imapd.sh in
> > '/usr/local/etc/rc.d', but it is only imapd. This has had me
> > confused because in the FreeBSD handbook it talked about the scripts
> > here would all end in .sh, but none of them do. The way that it
> > read, if there was an '.sh' file in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d' then that
> > script would be run at bootup.
> >
>
>
> The behaviour changed, it used to be that all the local scripts ended
> in .sh and ran in alphabetical order called from the same rc.d script
> in /etc/rc.d. Nowadays local scripts can be full rcng scripts if they
> have a provide field. If you are using an up-to-date FreebSD, don't
> move anything to /etc/rc.d, leave it where it is.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:16:59 +0200
> From: Roland Smith <rsmith at xs4all.nl>
> Subject: Re: Starting again from Scratch
> To: Graham Bentley <admin at cpcnw.co.uk>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070625171659.GA30692 at slackbox.xs4all.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 05:51:44PM +0100, Graham Bentley wrote:
> >
> > So, if I where to start again, I would ;
> >
> > 1) Install 'minimal' distrib from 6.2 rel CD1
> > 2) portsnap fetch extract
> > 3) make install my system
>
> The base system and ports are separate. The base system is built from
> /usr/src, while ports are built under /usr/ports.
>
> Concerning ports, I would install them from an _updated_ ports tree if
> your system isn't too slow. Start with what you really need, and add
> things if you miss them. If you build a high-level port like
> e.g. firefox, it will built the stuff it requires automatically. But I
> would start with building the xorg meta-port, to get X sorted first.
>
> Currently I have 427 ports installed om my desktop system, ≌ 100 of
> which are part of the new modular xorg.
>
> > Then in future use portmaster as you say ?
> Yes.
>
> Roland
> --
> R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/
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>
> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:27:11 +0100
> From: Graham Bentley <admin at cpcnw.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Starting again from Scratch
> To: Roland Smith <rsmith at xs4all.nl>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070625182711.5798a588 at 3bsd.cpcnw.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:16:59 +0200
> Roland Smith <rsmith at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 05:51:44PM +0100, Graham Bentley wrote:
> > >
> > > So, if I where to start again, I would ;
> > >
> > > 1) Install 'minimal' distrib from 6.2 rel CD1
> > > 2) portsnap fetch extract
> > > 3) make install my system
> >
> > The base system and ports are separate. The base system is built from
> > /usr/src, while ports are built under /usr/ports.
> >
> > Concerning ports, I would install them from an _updated_ ports tree if
> > your system isn't too slow. Start with what you really need, and add
> > things if you miss them. If you build a high-level port like
> > e.g. firefox, it will built the stuff it requires automatically. But I
> > would start with building the xorg meta-port, to get X sorted first.
> >
> > Currently I have 427 ports installed om my desktop system, ≌ 100 of
> > which are part of the new modular xorg.
> >
> > > Then in future use portmaster as you say ?
> > Yes.
> >
> > Roland
>
> Cheers Roland,
>
> Is it considered OK to update the ports and build up your worktop
> *without* bothering with building world? Also, building a kernel
> but leaving world at release?
>
> My system is an Athalon2.4/1GB/NV5200 so seems quick enough and
> I am not in that much of a hurry. However, I dont want to spend
> hours and hours waiting for compiles...
>
> Can you clue me up on xorg 'meta-port' ???
>
> I can feel a re-install coming on ....
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:27:10 +0100
> From: RW <fbsd06 at mlists.homeunix.com>
> Subject: Re: Starting again from Scratch
> To: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070625182710.0a506fdc at gumby.homeunix.com.>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:14:26 +0100
> Graham Bentley <admin at cpcnw.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the reply Manolis. As I mentioned in my first post, this
> > isnt for an important server, its just for 'desktop' use, for my own
> > amusement, a learning platform. I dont actually need the 'latest and
> > greatest' bleeding edge code, more so a reliable system for everyday
> > work, that I dont really want to spend too long tinkering but more
> > time using.
>
> In that case, don't upgrade your ports tree. By and large things are
> more likely to work when everything is built from the same tree, and
> the precompiled packages were built against the tree on the disk.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 26
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:47:06 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Eduardo Viruena Silva <mrspock at esfm.ipn.mx>
> Subject: Re: questions about floppy disk
> To: Olivier Regnier <oregnier at oregnier.net>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <20070625114644.Y52289 at Gina.esfm.ipn.mx>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Sun, 24 Jun 2007, Olivier Regnier wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have two questions about floppy disk with FreeBSD.
> >
> > How add a UFS filesystem to use the diskette for transfering files ?
> >
> > I think with this command but i'm not sure because, i can't check for
> the
> > moment.
> > # newfs /dev/fd0
> >
> > To mount a floppy disk with ufs filesystem, i must use this command ?
> > # mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
> >
> > Thank you for your help
> >
> > Bye bye,
> > Olivier Regnier
> >
>
> try mtools, from the ports.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:41:56 +0300
> From: Manolis Kiagias <sonicy at otenet.gr>
> Subject: Re: Starting again from Scratch
> To: Graham Bentley <admin at cpcnw.co.uk>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <467FFE64.6040306 at otenet.gr>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>
>
> Graham Bentley wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:16:59 +0200
> > Roland Smith <rsmith at xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 05:51:44PM +0100, Graham Bentley wrote:
> >>
> >>> So, if I where to start again, I would ;
> >>>
> >>> 1) Install 'minimal' distrib from 6.2 rel CD1
> >>> 2) portsnap fetch extract
> >>> 3) make install my system
> >>>
> >> The base system and ports are separate. The base system is built from
> >> /usr/src, while ports are built under /usr/ports.
> >>
> >> Concerning ports, I would install them from an _updated_ ports tree if
> >> your system isn't too slow. Start with what you really need, and add
> >> things if you miss them. If you build a high-level port like
> >> e.g. firefox, it will built the stuff it requires automatically. But I
> >> would start with building the xorg meta-port, to get X sorted first.
> >>
> >> Currently I have 427 ports installed om my desktop system, ≌ 100 of
> >> which are part of the new modular xorg.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Then in future use portmaster as you say ?
> >>>
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> Roland
> >>
> >
> > Cheers Roland,
> >
> > Is it considered OK to update the ports and build up your worktop
> > *without* bothering with building world? Also, building a kernel
> > but leaving world at release?
> >
> > My system is an Athalon2.4/1GB/NV5200 so seems quick enough and
> > I am not in that much of a hurry. However, I dont want to spend
> > hours and hours waiting for compiles...
> >
> > Can you clue me up on xorg 'meta-port' ???
> >
> > I can feel a re-install coming on ....
> >
> >
> It is ok to update ports and use them without ever rebuilding world or
> the kernel (or upgrade system sources).
> You may also build the kernel as many times as you wish from the release
> sources and not build the world. The world is already built on release
> sources anyway. If you do update the system sources however, you will
> have to build world along with the kernel the first time. Any subsequent
> kernel rebuilds from the same sources will not require a world rebuilt.
> Generally rebuilding the world and kernel is a very good way to move
> from one release to the next without reinstalling everything from scratch.
>
> One important thing, when building ports or upgrading, always read the
> file /usr/ports/UPDATING. It contains valuable info on how you should
> proceed on specific ports. The procedure for the xorg upgrade is
> described in there as well and you should follow it (even if you are
> clean installing xorg). Your system is fine performance wise, still it
> will take quite some time (hours and hours...) to compile / install xorg
> and a desktop environment.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:52:15 -0400
> From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org>
> Subject: Re: Network Problem in FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p5
> To: ExTaZyTi <extazyti at gmail.com>
> Message-ID: <441wfzly5s.fsf at be-well.ilk.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Please don't top-post; I had to delete the earlier comments from this
> message because it had become impossible to follow.
>
> When you hit the "connection limit," does anything appear in the logs?
> --
> Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
> http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:52:57 -0500
> From: Scott Mayo <sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us>
> Subject: Re: Starting Scripts
> To: RW <fbsd06 at mlists.homeunix.com>, freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <468000F9.3070608 at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> RW wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 10:18:30 -0500
> > Scott Mayo <sgmayo at mail.bloomfield.k12.mo.us> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I have set some things to automatically start in the rc.conf like ssh
> >>and apache by doing 'sshd_enable="YES"' and 'apache22_enable="YES"'.
> >>How do I start things like Zope and Cyrus?
> >>
> >> From the command line I can just:
> >>
> >>'/usr/local/cyrus/bin master &' for cyrus
> >>
> >>'/data/home/testuser/zope28/bin/zopectl start' for my instance of
> >>zope.
> >>
> >>I use to add lines like this to the rc.local file in linux to get
> >>them started. I was thinking that I read that this could still be
> >>done in FreeBSD, but was not the preferred way to do it.
> >>
> >> From looking at the scripts in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d', it looks like
> >>there are different ways. For zope it says that I can define
> >>'zope28_enable : "YES"' in '/etc/rc.conf', '/etc/rc.conf.local' or
> >>'/etc/rc.conf/zope28', so I guess that I just add 'zope28_enable :
> >>"YES"' to my rc.conf?
> >>
> >>Then the imapd script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d says to:
> >>
> >>move imapd.sh to '/etc/rc.d/cyrus_imapd'
> >
> >
> > Don't do that - see below.
> >
> >
> >
> >>and define the cyrus_imapd_*
> >>in '/etc/rc.conf', '/etc/rc.conf.local' or
> >>'etc/rc.conf.d/cyrus_imapd'.
> >>
> >>Then it shows '[ -z "$cyrus_imapd_enable" ] &&
> >>cyrus_imapd_enable="NO"' and [-z "$cyrus_imapd_flags" ] &&
> >>cyrus_imapd_flags="-d"'.
> >>
> >>Do I enter both of those commands in the '/etc/rc.conf' just as
> >>shown? I assume the "NO" will be "YES". These two lines have me a
> >>bit baffled.
> >
> >
> > Those lines are setting defaults, you can override them by defining
> > the variables in rc.conf. *All* rc.d scripts are run startup it's just
> > that those that aren't enabled don't do anything.
>
> Ok, that makes sense. If the default was 'enable' then it would have
> started up because the script was run, but the service was defaulted to
> 'Disable'
>
> >>I guess that I am still a bit confused on the '/etc/rc.d' and the
> >>'/usr/local/etc/rc.d' directories. There is no imapd.sh in
> >>'/usr/local/etc/rc.d', but it is only imapd. This has had me
> >>confused because in the FreeBSD handbook it talked about the scripts
> >>here would all end in .sh, but none of them do. The way that it
> >>read, if there was an '.sh' file in '/usr/local/etc/rc.d' then that
> >>script would be run at bootup.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > The behaviour changed, it used to be that all the local scripts ended
> > in .sh and ran in alphabetical order called from the same rc.d script
> > in /etc/rc.d. Nowadays local scripts can be full rcng scripts if they
> > have a provide field. If you are using an up-to-date FreebSD, don't
> > move anything to /etc/rc.d, leave it where it is.
> >
>
> Yes, this FreeBSD is up to date. Your comment above answered this
> question for me also. Thanks again for the info.
>
> --
> Scott Mayo
> System Administrator
> Bloomfield Schools
>
>
> Duct tape is like the force, it has a light side and a dark side and it
> holds the universe together.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:02:50 -0400
> From: Lowell Gilbert <freebsd-questions-local at be-well.ilk.org>
> Subject: Re: Permanent apache patch
> To: Josh <bsd at kajs.co.nz>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <44wsxrkj3p.fsf at be-well.ilk.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Roland Smith <rsmith at xs4all.nl> writes:
>
> > Unfortunately most port update tools will delete files that are not in
> > the master tree.
>
> In the cases I know of, this will only happen if the same tool had
> previously known about the file. So just make sure you don't use a
> filename that was ever in the tree in that particular directory.
>
> --
> Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area
> http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:24:09 +0100
> From: Daniel Bye <dan at slightlystrange.org>
> Subject: Re: script to update my ports tree
> To: Olivier Regnier <oregnier at oregnier.net>
> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
> Message-ID: <46800849.5040402 at slightlystrange.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Olivier Regnier wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I made a shell script in /etc/periodic/daily/610.update-ports-tree and
> > in my /etc/periodic.conf, this line :
> daily_update_ports_tree_enable="YES".
> >
> > The problem is simple, my script doesn't start at all.
> >
> > Can you help me please ?
> >
> > Thank you :)
>
>
> There is a syntax error in the script - you have missed the ;; from the
> end of the first case statement. Try putting that in and see what
> happens. You need something like this, or the script will just fall off
> the last case statement, which does nothing:
>
> case $var in
> yes)
> do stuff here
> ;;
> *) ;;
> esac
>
>
> Also, you can simplify the script somewhat - you don't need to jump
> through all those hoops with sed and awk to create a supfile on the fly
> - just put this in your /etc/make.conf file, which does the same as your
> selectserver() function:
>
> SUP_UPDATE= yes
> SUP= /usr/bin/csup
> SUPFLAGS= -g
> SUPHOST= `/usr/local/bin/fastest_cvsup -Qc uk,fr,nl`
> SUPFILE= /etc/cvsup/system
>
> The -Q option to fastest_cvsup returns just the hostname of the fastest
> server, so no need to set up an enormous pipeline of tools. Alter the
> rest of the script to call 'make update' from /usr/ports, and you're done.
>
> Alternatively, you can use portsnap(8) instead - it automatically
> selects one of the available mirrors and uses it. However, you will need
> to do a bit of work to set this up - remove your ports tree (no,
> seriously - follow along, this is good), then run:
>
> # portsnap fetch extract
>
> Now your script just needs to call
>
> # portsnap fetch update
>
> and that's it. This has the advantage that you don't need to cd to
> /usr/ports for it to work.
>
> HTH, one way or another...
>
> Dan
>
>
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