Could we get the FreeBSD torrent servers back?

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at
Mon Feb 26 00:51:47 UTC 2007

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Slothouber" <chris at>
To: <freebsd-questions at>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: Could we get the FreeBSD torrent servers back?

> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Andrew Lentvorski" <bsder at>
> > To: <freebsd-questions at>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 6:38 PM
> > Subject: Could we get the FreeBSD torrent servers back?
> >
> >
> >> Can we please get the FreeBSD torrent tracker and/or server back?
> >>
> >> (snip)
> >>
> >
> > Nobody pays the mirrors for their bandwidth.  They are hosting and
> > paying for the bandwidth out of the goodness of their hearts.
> >
> > Nothing is stopping you from setting up your own torrent server on a big
> > fast
> > pipe that everyone else can use, and not pay you for.
> >
> > I don't know for sure how other ISP's do it but we definitely use
> > bandwidth limitations on the servers we host, customers that pay a lot
> > get a lot, customers that pay less get less, and the freebie servers
> > get whatever is left over after the paying customers have had their
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > I would suspect if you examined the financing scheme used for the Linux
> > download servers you would find that it is quite different than FreeBSD.
> But isn't the whole point of peer to peer file distribution to
> *distribute* the bandwidth requirements to the point that the costs
> involved for each of the individual peers is trivial but the client
> receiving the file still obtains full speed of a direct download?

Most of the time the way peer-to-peer filesharing is used, the point is to
hide the sources of the streams, in order to distribute illicit material.

What your talking about only works if you have a large group of FreeBSD
that are willing to run the torrent servers.  Let's assume that only 0.01%
of any
population group would step up to the plate to offer a torrent server.  Well
I can see a Linux torrent network working because Linux has an order of
greater number of users than FreeBSD.  But I think you would find it
to recruit something like 1000 FreeBSD users to step up to the plate and
offer a torrent server.  The population numbers just aren't there.  Worse,
initial people that offer the server are going to get the brunt of the load
you can't give them any guarentee that your going to be able to recruit
torrent servers to lessen the work on them.

Like out-of-control-broadcating on an Ethernet nework, sometimes in
things just coalesce out of nowhere when the network gets large enough.  I
think we have enough FreeBSD users in the population to depend on things
this just appearing by themselves.

FreeBSD came to the "grow big or grow well" crossroads many years ago and
took the "grow well" path.  Linux took the "grow big" path.  It is very much
what happened to MacOS and Windows.  One grew big, the other grew well.
Today, though, neither can really change.  FreeBSD can no more displace
in terms of numbers and in terms of newbies using it, than Linux could
FreeBSD in terms of being able to be usable for commercial products, or
FreeBSD in terms of being able to collect the absolute best developers in
industry.  I think the Open Source world is much better off for this
happening since
it gives more different choices for the consumers, but by the same coin your
going to be frustrated if you try to make FreeBSD look, walk and talk just


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