Apparently, csh programming is considered harmful.

Giorgos Keramidas keramida at
Sun Dec 16 23:46:06 PST 2007

On 2007-12-16 19:36, Chuck Robey <chuckr at> wrote:
> Michael P. Soulier wrote:
>> On 14/12/07 Giorgos Keramidas said:
>>> Tcsh is a fine shell.  I'm using it all the time (that's how I found out
>>> that a buglet reported by Kris Kennaway a few months ago was indeed a
>>> bug which I could reproduce too).
>> I always found csh/tcsh aliases annoying, since there are no shell 
>> functions.
>> I also found the shell redirection awkward. 
> There;s one item that is much more easily done in csh/tcsh than in the sh 
> based ones .... that's redirecting the stderr along with the stdout.  with 
> tcsh, when I do a make, I commonly do a:
> make |& tee makeout
> which causes both the stdout and stderr files to be redirected to the
> "makeout" make listing file.  I;'ve never figured out any reasonably
> simple way to do that in any sh-like shell.  Is there any simble way
> that you know of?

Yep, there is a simple way in sh too:

	make 2>&1 | tee makeout

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