Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?

Sat Jul 29 14:55:00 UTC 2006

On Jul 29, 2006, at 6:39 AM, Born, Clinton wrote:

> Yawn.... You are exactly what I'm talking about.

As you are yourself

Chad

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm at toybox.placo.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:56 PM
> To: Born, Clinton; Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
> Cc: FreeBSD Questions
> Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Born, Clinton" <Clinton.Born at dig.com>
> To: "Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC" <chad at shire.net>; "Born, Clinton"
> <Clinton.Born at dig.com>
> Cc: "FreeBSD Questions" <freebsd-questions at freebsd.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 10:24 AM
> Subject: RE: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
>
>
>> A predilection to evangelize tools that supports ones own belief in
>> software superiority is what curtails our ability to move any  
>> platform
>> forward. I would keep a hesitant eye on any individual that holds  
>> such
>> fervent beliefs.
>
> Do you keep a hesitant eye on Microsoft, then?  Since they are one of
> the
> biggest evangelizers of their own tools there is...
>
>> I have old NT servers that have run Disney.com
>
> Apparently, not.
>
>> for
>> several years and have served us well. Technology is an enabler,  
>> not a
>> divider. Too many people unknowingly adopt the later.
>>
>
> This is just a load of dingos kidneys.  Your no better than anyone  
> else
> you
> are just spewing to sound superior.
>
> The "best tool for the job" why that is a loaded statement if there  
> ever
> was
> one.
> There are precious few jobs
> out there that I can think of that there are not multiple, different
> tools
> for that
> many people use with equal success.  In fact the only one that  
> comes to
> mind
> is pulling the tilt steering wheel on a 80's-90's GM vehicle, since it
> uses
> a
> special tool that only SnapOn ever manufactured.
>
> One person's "best tool" is another person's junk tool.  This is a
> subjective
> judgement if there ever was one.  And there is really nothing wrong  
> with
> it.
>
> Sorry if it offends your politically correct credentials (good example
> of
> why
> disney's quality has gone down the toilet in the last 20 years) but it
> does
> not
> harm anyone's ability to move any platform forward to have a bunch of
> vocal
> detractors out there.  Everyone loves their platform of choice and  
> it is
> perfectly
> OK for them to be as vocal as they like, and nobody is harmed for that
> happening.
>
> The people who are willing to be open minded will use a mix of tools
> from
> Microsoft and the rest of the world, and the people who are closed
> minded
> will use tools from Microsoft, and neither is going to pay any  
> attention
> to
> whatever
> loudmouths are bandmouthing their choices.  That's the way the  
> world has
> worked in the past when IBM was king people did the same thing, and
> that's
> the way it will always work.
>
> You can stand up an be counted as an open minded person, or you can  
> use
> NT
> and stand up to be counted with the closed minded people who only use
> Microsoft solutions.  It's your choice.
>
> Ted
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Chad Leigh
> --
>> Shire.Net LLC
>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:31 PM
>> To: Born, Clinton
>> Cc: FreeBSD Questions
>> Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
>>
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2006, at 5:41 PM, Born, Clinton wrote:
>>
>>> Really? I wouldn't want such a myopic view when choosing to
>>> allocate our
>>> shareholders dollars. Best tool for the job. Period!
>>
>> That is not as easy as you make it out to be.  WHat one might in the
>> short term see as the best tool may not be such in 2 years when
>> support is dropped and you are in a forced obsolescence and have to
>> replace it with something else...  So making value judgments like
>> tools that are known to be well supported on FReeBSD for example is
>> part of determining the best tool for the job
>>
>> Chad
>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Amitabh
> Kant
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:28 AM
>>> To: Nikolas Britton
>>> Cc: freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>>> Subject: Re: Are hardware vendors starting to bail on FreeBSD ... ?
>>>
>>> And this is what I always do. As a person responsible for
>>> recommending/approving/buying harware related stuff for few
> different
>>> companies, I make it a point that I *prefer* only those brands that
>>> have support for FreeBSD. For me, this is more so in case of RAID
>>> cards.
>>>
>>> On 7/27/06, Nikolas Britton <nikolas.britton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Except most of the people using FreeBSD in a professional setting
> are
>>>> pretty high up on the IT/IS/MIS food chain. If a product doesn't
> work
>>>> on my platform of choice then there's no way in hell I'll approve
>>>> it's
>>>> uses on other platforms, FreeBSD is my litmus test. If a vendor
>>>> doesn't support FreeBSD they can still pass my test by providing
> open
>>>> documentation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I see the whole issue this way: companies are free to choose whether
>>> to support FreeBSD or not, and I am free to choose/recommend their
>>> product in my installations. It's only when we start to speak with
> our
>>> money bags, that it will make commercial sense to them to support
>>> *BSD.
>>>
>>> Amitabh
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