I need a cuppa...

[Chuck Swiger]

Matthias Buelow wrote:
> Chuck Swiger wrote:
>>> Even Apple doesn't show up in their radar... what do you expect.
>>
>> This is untrue.
>> The Mac Runtime for Java is a high-priority environment for both Apple 
> 
> When I go to java.sun.com, I can download the jdk for: Linux, Windows, 
> Solaris.  That's what I meant.

Whatever.  If you've got a Mac, you could go to:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/java/

...only, you don't need to since Java 2 already comes with every MacOS X system.

>>> Java is as proprietary as it gets.  (Unfortunately many of us need it.)
>>
>> Nonsense.  While Java isn't OSI Open Source compliant, it's more open 
>> than anything which *doesn't* come with the sources included.
> 
> Proprietary is proprietary.   [ ... ]

If you choose not to see any distinction between software which is freely 
available and comes with source code, and between other forms of software 
which neither comes with source nor is free, fine.

-- 
-Chuck