I need a cuppa...

[Chuck Swiger]

Matthias Buelow wrote:
> Jonathan Chen wrote:
>> Blame Sun; they don't make it easy for organizations like FreeBSD
>> to release a binary version of Java.
> 
> Even Apple doesn't show up in their radar... what do you expect.

This is untrue.

The Mac Runtime for Java is a high-priority environment for both Apple and 
Sun.  Apple has been creating and pushing back some pretty significant 
improvements in how to share JVM's between processes more efficiently in terms 
of shared memory usage, and reduce the dynamic loading startup costs.

> Java is as proprietary as it gets.  (Unfortunately many of us need it.)

Nonsense.  While Java isn't OSI Open Source compliant, it's more open than 
anything which *doesn't* come with the sources included.

-- 
-Chuck