Thank you!
Erik Norgaard
norgaard at locolomo.org
Fri Jan 14 16:06:41 PST 2005
Freebsd0101 at aol.com wrote:
> Why doesn't someone just answer the question? When Watson finally
> admitted publically that 5.x has networking issues it ended the last
> discussion. Just answer the question.
Focusing on one cludge is meaningless - who cares if your network is a
little slow, or just slower than 4.x if disk or server apps can't keep
up with it anyway? 4.x, 5.0-2 and DragonFlyBSD all suffer from the GIANT
cludge. PHK has done a lot of work to resolve this cludge, all results
may not be in 5.3.
> Why are you abandoning support for new hardware in 4.x
> when you admit that 5.x is not ready? It makes no sense at all.
This is very obvious: There are limited resources: The time of the
developers is precious. Keeping an old system updated costs time and
takes away resources to address the remaining issues with the new version.
In every realworld project there comes a point where you have to release
the project even if it is not perfect or near perfect. Microsoft do this
all the time, and they can't even claim they don't have the money to
boost development.
At some point it becomes meaningless to try to keep the old version
updated. The BSD-team - like it or not - has chosen that this point is
about now.
If you disagree you have the following choices: 1) Use something else,
2) fork your own project or 3) be happy with the decision and provide
usefull feedback to the developers to help the progress of the development.
> Their motivations are not to the users, it clearly to
> some corporate sponsor agenda that has nothing to do with end users.
Prove that - that statement is completely unbiased. Maybe read Eric
Raymonds "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" although BSD is not so much a
bazaar, development is most often triggered by scratching your own itch.
Not the users' nor any corporation.
> All of the hackers lists have gone private, there is no "discussion" of
> what issues are important with the customer base. And all of you
> bubbleheads are just pleased as punch that your USB printer works.
> Its really quite unbelievable.
There is no customer base - only users who choose to use BSD because
they think it is the best choice for whateever their problem is. If you
have a problem that *BSD does not solve for you, develop the solution or
pay someone to do it or use whatever solves your problem and be happy
with that solution. You have the freedom to choose.
If you think FreeBSD is hostile to it's userbase, go have fun on
misc at openbsd.org - this is supposed to be the user list, a catchup list
for anything that doesn't fit on the other lists. It's fun :-) just
don't propose any "improvement" unless you're a core-developer or you
get flamed, burned and cut into little pieces.
Cheers, Erik
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