Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched.

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at
Mon Feb 14 09:40:24 GMT 2005

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> From: owner-freebsd-questions at
> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions at]On Behalf Of Anthony
> Atkielski
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:28 PM
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> Subject: Re: Choosing to install turns off laptop. HD is untouched.
> bsdnooby writes:
> > When I try to install FreeBSD, my brand new HP Pavilion laptop turns
> > itself off.
> While it's rather late for me to make this observation, I find that
> computers from big-name vendors tend to show a great deal of
> interdependence between the pre-installed OS and the hardware.  The
> vendors often design the systems around the assumption that the
> pre-installed OS (normally Windows) will be the one and only OS on the
> machine.  There may be tweaks in the OEM installation of the OS that
> accommodate tweaks in the hardware, or vice versa.

Generally the MO in the past has been to use the el-cheapo-ist components
possible, then when the OEM vendors discover some hardware bug or other
shortfall, they have Microsoft help them to write around the problems
with various patches, which are included in the OEM version of Windows.

While this has (mostly) gone away for desktop systems, it is still going
on fiercely with laptops.

> I've seen server machines afflicted in the same way.  Compaq has long
> had a habit of messing around with this sort of thing, and
> unfortunately
> HP often makes similar mistakes.
> High-end HP machines even have custom motherboards and a custom BIOS
> (both created by HP for HP and with a specific OS in mind), although I
> don't think the Pavilion is one of these machines.

First of all HP purchased Compaq a while ago, and when the sale was
they dumped the Netserver line, servers from them are now HP Proliants.
(Proliant was the Compaq line)  The Netservers and Proliants in general
never had touble with FreeBSD.  Considering they certified them with
Solaris/Netware/etc. they had to be pretty standard.

Secondly, desktop systems from both vendors always sucked in this regard.
Compaq even had the audacity one time to modify the Adaptec microcode
for the AHA2740 scsi card for the Professional workstation line.

> Ideally, then, for something other than the pre-installed OS (such as
> FreeBSD), you're probably better off buying an off-brand PC made from
> off-the-shelf components, or building your own machine yourself.

Fine advice for low-end servers and desktops.  Terrible for high-end
servers unless you really, really know what your doing, and you
understand that your total cost will be more than if you just buy
a turnkey server from someone.  And rather impossible for laptops.


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