Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as NetBSD!!!

Peter Risdon peter at
Fri Feb 11 13:51:56 PST 2005

On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 15:56 -0500, Garance A Drosihn wrote:
> At 8:00 AM -0500 2/11/05, Bart Silverstrim wrote:
> >Since when did FreeBSD, a project always driven by volunteers and
> >not by commercial matters, 

FreeBSD is a commercially viable operating system. I happen to think
it's the best server OS there is - for businesses. This thread has made
it seem, sometimes, as though the touch of commerce is anathema, which
is silly. As I understand it, the support of commercial organisations is
vital to the project. If you want a project that pisses on its sponsors,
there's always OpenBSD.

> suddenly gain a marketing department
> >that is trying to steer FreeBSD into the business sector? 

You mean it isn't in the business sector? It's just for geeks to put on
their home computers? Somebody ought to mention that to Yahoo. And let's
hope nobody who is having FreeBSD pitched to them as a viable server OS
for their business reads that remark as they google.

>  Is
> >FreeBSD starting to have marketing dictate technology instead of
> >technology dictate marketing?

What changes would a logo require of the underlying technology of
FreeBSD? That's just rhetoric.

> Some of those volunteers would like to see a new logo.  Others
> would not.  The vast majority probably do not care at all.  Somehow
> the ones who like the present logo seem to think they can simply
> dismiss all comments from the other volunteers who would like a
> new logo, as if the work done by THOSE volunteers is somehow
> irrelevant.

I haven't noticed anyone suggest that Beastie be banished, just that a
proper logo might be appropriate now. Here's a suggestion: Beastie stays
as the mascot. People use it as and when they wish, subject to
conditions which are at the discretion of a private individual and not
the FreeBSD project. And there's a new logo, as opposed to mascot, if
the competition throws up one people like.

By the way, thanks very much indeed for the work you're doing as a
volunteer committer. Without that, we wouldn't be here burning up
bandwidth on a technical support mailing list.


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