FreeBSD telnetd and Microsoft Internet Explorer

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Clutton [mailto:peterclutton at gmail.com]
>Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 3:16 AM
>To: Ted Mittelstaedt
>Cc: Stevan Tiefert; freebsd-questions at freebsd.org
>Subject: Re: FreeBSD telnetd and Microsoft Internet Explorer
>
>
>On 12/3/05, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at toybox.placo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Whoah whoah whoah!!!!
>>
>> Guys, I have several 5.4 servers.
>>
>> Hitting them with IE 6.0.2800.1106 ftp client I
>> get NO PROBLEMS seeing dot files.  I DO NOT see
>> the behavior that the OP claims.  NOR do I see the
>> behavior that you guys are claiming either of IE's
>> FTP client being bad.  Nor do I see this behavior
>> on a 6.0 FreeBSD server.
>>
>> I respectfully submit that both you and the OP are
>> off your rockers. You guys, probably because you don't
>> know how to setup Windows properly.  (which is understandable)
>> The OP probably because he doesen't know how to setup FreeBSD
>> properly, plus has borked some settting in his IE.  Note
>> he hasn't posted the IE version.  Note he hasn't setup a
>> test login on his FTP server and invited anyone to try it
>> and see if they are getting the same problem.  Can you
>> say "Troll bait"?  I knew you could.
>>
>> AND YES, I did try a few FTP sites on that URL.  No problem
>> with any of them.
>>
>> AND NO I do not recommend IE as a FTP client either.  And I
>> respectfully submit that a recommendation against IE from
>> someone who must apparently know how to set it up properly
>> should IMHO carry more weight than one from someone who
>> apparently doesen't know how to set it up properly.
>>
>> If you think IE's FTP client is so bad then post a few sites
>> and I'll go to them and put up some screen captures of my IE.
>> Go ahead, prove I'm wrong.  I'd like to see it crash.
>> I dare you.
>
>The reason it works for you is because you manually set the ftp type
>setting of IE. I do happen to know how to set up IE and alot of other
>network related setting in WIndows.
>

Actually Peter, I don't even know where the manual setting of IE is
for ftp.  I'm surprised that there is one, and am glad to hear it,
could you tell me where it is, exactly?

>When these are not set (as they do not absolutely-have-to-be with
>other clients) it crashes. The fact that just because you haven't
>bothered about that setting, or PASV etc, doesn't mean the client
>should crash. Under the default setup on IE, nearly every one of those
>sites crashes IE. Now of course it makes sense that if these settings
>haven't been set, that you might get an error message and  have to set
>things right, but not to crash the application every single time
>without a clue as to what went wrong.
>

That's not my experience with IE 6

Please post these default settings that crash stuff, I'll check my
browser and see if they are set that way.

>Now of course I could take screen shots and get these sites to work
>aswell, believe me it's not some advanced windows knowledge that
>you're claiming ownership  to here, but if you leave the settings on
>defualt, it crashes the browser.

That isn't my experience. I will say my Windows installs are straight
off the MS Select CD's perhaps the defaults on OEM setups are set
stupidly?

> Plain old run of the mill, office and
>home environment set up, it crashes the application. Even microfts own
>ftp site.

No, sorry, not happened with IE 6.

>Oppose this to Firefox's ftp implementatoin which works "out
>of the box", and gives you an error if you need to change something.

I never disputed Firefox.  It's a good brower I use it under
FreeBSD.

>Of course everything crashes, let's not be silly, but to crash
>categorically every time unless you've set it the way it should be, is
>an immature piece of software.
>

I agree with this, but I'm not seeing this behavior with IE.

>On top of these are problems with standards implementations, in the
>same way that the IE html engine doesn't render in accordance with the
>standards (I can tell you this after having worked full time in web
>design and php/mysql, and the joy you get when you see the way things
>should look, according to standard html and xhtml and css texts, in
>other browsers, but never in IE.)

No question that IE isn't compliant.  But every web designer
knows that it's the majority browser so railing about it, while
cartharic, doesen't change the fact that your going to have to
write to it's rendering stupidity for your customers.

Perhaps if more web designers submitted bug reports to Microsoft
they might actually fix some things?

>But in the end it's just the fact
>that it's crashed in it's default setting in every Windows release
>I've used.
>

Not my experience.

Ted