timh at tjhawkins.com
timh at tjhawkins.com
Sun Sep 19 13:48:35 PDT 2004
My question regarding the 2 extremely major flaws in FreeBSD are being
addressed as I have learned from mature FreeBSD developers, due to my
question. Therefore many linux-fanatics who are focussed on an only-linux
world will no longer be able to use this issue.
These two stop-gap items will be at the forefront of the work for the next
year, along with a major move to start removing the BGL (Big Giant Lock,
also known as the MP lock) from code inherited from 4.x
...that is the one mentioned on dragonfly page too
Regarding the people who e-mailed me regarding mySQL on FreeBSD just Google
..as you can see there are issues but they are being solved.
This age actually tells me that my assertions are true regarding freeBSD's
This page also explains to me that these problems will be completely fixed
and that once FreeBSD 5.x is completely finished and stable that It will be
the best choice in operating systems.
I knew I wasn't trolling, but too many people sent me horrible hatred
Furthermore: HawkinsOS is a modified FreeBSD 5.x that retains the BSD
license and continues to give credit to the FreeBSD group, as well as once
this project is started will donate to the organization... So why would so
many people from so many lists say I'm doing illegal licesing things, etc.?
It also retains complete compatibilty to FreeBSD, which I've made sure to
help the FreeBSD project, as this is one issue where linux has been
I'm a FreeBSD fan and I always will be and I'm glade this issues are being
taken care of and I understand the money wasn't there like it was for Linux.
Please do not get the idea that I was trying to harass and troll.
I'm certainly glade we got that all taken care of.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julian Elischer" <julian at elischer.org>
To: <timh at tjhawkins.com>
Cc: <smp at freebsd.org>; <advocacy at freebsd.org>; <questions at freebsd.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: Please explain.
> timh at tjhawkins.com wrote:
> > 2 Major Issues:
> > - FreeBSD has a processor affinity design issue
> thanks for the non combatative and diplomatically styled message?
> > - The core kernel issues with FreeBSD is the horrible threading
> > support.There is so much crap in FreeBSD kernel. The multithreading
> > freebsd has been delayed for nearly 6 years. They have just made work
> > arounds, not fixing the actual problem. It seems that the only real BSD
> > has made big progress on the core issues is DragonflyBSD.
> Dragonfly BSD is a branch of freeBSD that we are all watching with great
> interest. The advantage that is available there is the decision to go back
> to teh drawing board and start from scratch, thereby breaking a lot, in
> hope of being able to fix it again when teh parts afe all completed. It
> is a very interesting experiment and as such, FreeBSD developers in
> are watching with interest.
> > It appears that FreeBSD have a clear Multi-threading lock-in issue that
> > needs to be fixed. Not work arounds. According to many freebsd
> > nobody simply wants to fix this, is it true that the current smp work
> > just 'work-arounds' not real fixing?
> Well if you could explain yourself in English I'd have more of a chance
> of answering your questions. The big challenge with FreeBSD and MP is that
> we have to get from a "here" (where there was no MP at all) the a "there"
> (where there is), while having every step of the way between being a
> stable (within reason) system. This greatly limits how things are done.
> The current SMP work is not just "workarounds" but rather steps needed
> to get from A to B. Sometimes you can't see what the final picture is
> by looking at an intermediate step in isolation.
> > The only thing holding FreeBSD back is the Multithreading issue.
> I wish you would explain this statement. It could be interpretted in so
> many ways that it really is almost meaningless. (Some of the
> however are not..)
> > Please clarify this.
> Sure.. how about you clarify your question first however.
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