New work on installer? - Checked by AntiVir DEMO version -

Gary Kline kline at
Mon May 17 18:03:16 PDT 2004

On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 06:38:55AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> On Mon, 17 May 2004 01:00:37 -0500
> <timh at> wrote:
> > Has there been any new work on the installer or planned? If not, I would like
> > to help... What about graphical?
> If you're looking to improve FreeBSD's user-friendliness, more usefual than a
> GUI installer would be a few network setup tools. To get some idea what I'm
> talking about, take a look at Slackware's "netconfig" and "adsl-setup" tools.
> These aren't GUI, just ncurses scripts, but very easy to use. When I was a FBSD
> newbie, one of my most frustrating experiences was having to manually write and
> modify /etc/ppp/options and /etc/ppp/ppp.conf. I think a lot of newbies get to
> this point, spend a few frustrating days tearing their hair out, and then give
> up and go back to Redhat or SUSE.

	I think we (theBSD's) are losing a lot of serious brain
	brainpower (and certainly lots of latent high-end talent)
	by not having a less-headbanging install.  I've done it
	literally dozens of times; I still get flummoxed now and

	What I would do for  GUI/curses build/install would have
	a liberal (much space/slice) as the Default.  Then have 
	a lynx or links reader point the new users to a few choice
	pages if case they want to fine-tune.

	How much hacking would it take to have our current 
	/stand/sysinstall have a web front end?

> A user-friendly GUI or ncurses script for configuring the new PF firewall would
> no doubt win a few converts too. Take a look at Guarddog (a Linux tool for IP
> tables) to get some idea.
> Just my 2 cents.
> regards,
> Robert

	For all its problems, we're doing just-barely well  enough.
	The BSD projects are volunteer; this makes it difficult to
	ask *too* much.  Even I sleep now and then;)

	As for all the griping in getting a new/improved installer--
	no wonder the world is going to hell in a handbasket.
	If we-geeks can't agree on something this basic, no
	wonder the imbiciles du monde can't come to a 
	reasonable compromises.

	'n' dat's my dime's worth,


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