portmaster, portupgrade, etc

[Grzegorz Junka]

On 04/10/2017 20:43, Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 08:13:16PM +0000, Grzegorz Junka wrote:
>> I was trying
>> to compile with the system that was being updated at the
>> same time - this can't possibly work (or can it?).
> It works somewhere between "quite often" to "nearly all
> the time".  It can vary depending on the complexity of

Well, that's not my experience. For me it worked occasionally at best. A 
few times the system became so broken that many applications couldn't be 
opened any more and I had to spend hours to restore it to some kind of 
usability. Even with poudriere I still manage to break the ports quite 
often by setting various options not to their recommended values - see 
defects I have been raising on 
https://www.freebsd.org/support/bugreports.html But at least I am not 
able to install them until they are fixed.

Maybe I am just too ambitious or maybe poudriere is more idiot-proof? I 
guess portmaster or portupgrade may work fine if one uses the default 
options, but in that case, hey, why bother? Just use the compiled 
packages! If you try to change some ports to non-default options, and 
something doesn't compile, portmaster/portupgrade will leave the system 
in half-baked state. And then only heavens can help...

> the ports you have installed, what state the tree is in,
> how much the ports you use are often used by others, and
> subtle differences in changes to port dependencies.
>
> This is complex enough to be indistinguishable from "phase
> of the moon."
>
> In this case I really wish I were joking.
>
> mcl
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