THANK YOU for flavors!

[Baho Utot]

On 12/7/2017 5:43 PM, Stari Karp wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-12-07 at 07:51 -0500, Baho Utot wrote:
>> On 12/07/17 04:30, Johan Hendriks wrote:
>>> Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim:
>>>> In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and
>>>> say
>>>> thank you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the
>>>> bit to
>>>> try flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring
>>>> my
>>>> company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it
>>>> landed.
>>>>
>>>> Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3.
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>>> Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non
>>> technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of
>>> flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is
>>> not
>>> mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD.
>>> I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read
>>> and
>>> understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a
>>> multi
>>> server envirement and on the desktop.
>>> The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single
>>> machine
>>> or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not
>>> working
>>> anymore.
>>> Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best
>>> without
>>> out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future
>>> updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying
>>> to
>>> update there system.
>>> If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice
>>> on the
>>> channels.
>>>
>>> Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is
>>> and it
>>> is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into
>>> FreeBSD.
>>> So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big
>>> changes.
>>> If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there.
>>> And
>>> they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man
>>> page.
>>> They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe
>>> poudriere
>>> update ports for all that matters.
>>>
>> users also don't want to wake up to the fact that what worked a few
>> days
>> ago not is working ie fetch/update port repo run synth and then get a
>> "
>> What the fuck has just happened now" only to be put down by the so
>> called folks in charge here for even asking.
>>
>>
> I understand your frustration but I am happy with Synth and Mr. Marino
> made patches extremely fast. I updated everything with success.
>
>

John new "port system" looks really good it may well be the wave of the 
future, if it gets a little support.  check out

https://github.com/jrmarino/Ravenports

and

http://www.ravenports.com

Of course it will need to expand to other platforms, and expand the 
number of packages in the ravenports system, but it looks like a good 
alternative to ports.

Too bad I am moving from FreeBSD back to Linux or I would have a go with 
it.  I have been working on something that is similar to ravenports for 
all my in house servers and desktops.  I should have something working 
by the end of the year.  I already have a "system builder" completed 
that builds and installs a scratch built linux base system. I will have 
some "meta packages" that will allow one to install desktop machines by 
installing one base package and one desktop package for a working 
base/default desktop machine.  That is how I setup my freebsd boxs (soon 
to be linux boxs), desktop-lumina, desktop-kde and desktop-gnome.  I 
also have meta packages for server-mail, server-dns, server-file, 
server-web and server-dhcp. Installing is simple as booting to the USB 
drive, partitioning and installing ext4 filesystem(s) and then install 
base and desktop-kde.  edit a few config files and it's done. Same for 
servers.  If I want a dns and dhcp server all I need to do is to install 
base, server-dns and server-dhcp and edit a few config files and I am 
good to go.