Welcome flavors! portmaster now dead? synth?

Adam Weinberger adamw at adamw.org
Sun Dec 3 16:56:21 UTC 2017


> On 3 Dec, 2017, at 7:55, Baho Utot <baho-utot at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
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> On 12/02/17 18:31, Adam Weinberger wrote:
>>> On 2 Dec, 2017, at 13:41, Baho Utot <baho-utot at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
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>>> On 12/2/2017 1:43 PM, Mark Linimon wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Dec 02, 2017 at 11:53:58AM +0000, Carmel NY wrote:
>>>>> Looking back at other port management utilities like "portmanager",
>>>>> "portmaster", "portupgrade" and now "synth", The FreeBSD team has
>>>>> done a pretty good job of obfuscating and rendering them impotent.
>>>> That's one possible explanation.  Or, as Occam's Razor suggests, they
>>>> continue to try to modernize the Ports Collection, despite obstacles
>>>> (including stale codebases and stubborn maintainers).
>>>> 
>>>> I'll admit some of the transitions have been pretty rough.  But when
>>>> you go back and look at Ports as of e.g. FreeBSD 4, there have been a
>>>> lot of good changes -- including some which were necessary due to sheer
>>>> scale.
>>>> 
>>>> If we had stayed with what we had then, the whole thing would have
>>>> collapsed by now.
>>>> 
>>>> mcl
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> What you have noe is not that great either.  When is base going to be packed.....ie something that makes sense and works?
>> You seem very angry about things breaking in HEAD, Baho. Things break in HEAD sometimes. This is why we recommend that end-users who can't have breakages, or users who depend on undeveloped tools, stay on the quarterly branch. Portmaster works perfectly on quarterly. Always has.
>> Everyone understands that poudriere isn't for everybody---Steve Kargl outlined a pretty classic example of a workflow and system that aren't amenable to poudriere. We've asked repeatedly for people to work on portmaster. Far more people complain about it breaking than put in ANY effort to fix it.
>> HEAD is for development. You have to tolerate breakage on HEAD, and participate in fixing things, otherwise you need to switch to the quarterly branches.
>> # Adam
> 
> I don't use HEAD.  I use Quartlery with synth.  It is just I expect a little more than amature hour.  I was on Archlinux for 10 years and they are very bleeding edge.  Almost No breakage in ten years. The only reason I left Linux was systemd.  After landing in FreeBSD the experence has been terrible at best, I have been a user for more than 5 years hoping that things would get better after seeing all the work promised not getting done. I am done with FreeBSD and I am going to my own scratch built Linux.  I already have all my raspberry pi on my own linux version and now I am working on moving my desktops. Should be complete by the end of the year.

If you don't use HEAD, then I fail to see how flavours have wronged you. Synth now supports flavours, and quarterly works exactly as it did a week ago.

Either way, a scratch built Linux sounds like a great alternative to FreeBSD, which is terrible at best.

# Adam


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