reason 23 why we've moved to linux

Chad J. Milios milios at
Sun Mar 23 01:06:45 UTC 2014

> On Mar 22, 2014, at 2:44 PM, Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn at> wrote:
>> On 03/22/14 14:00, CyberLeo Kitsana wrote:
>>> On 03/22/2014 01:57 PM, Fernando Apesteguía wrote:
>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Nathan Whitehorn
>>> <nwhitehorn at> wrote:
>>>> On 03/22/14 11:12, Randy Bush wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> At least testing branches would be appreciated.
>>> Something like ivoras@ suggested two years ago?
>> Something like this?
> No, not like that. A continuously updated moving branch one step down in experimentation.
> -Nathan

I believe it is indeed what you are looking for [in spirit and in theory at least], hence the branch description: "This is a stable branch which will be maintained for 3 months..." and various commit descriptions marked "MFH" i.e. "merged from head" ranging from 3 months to 3 days ago. Now, whether or not this branch lives up to it's intent is another story all together. That part, I couldn't say because...

I, for one, admit to just now learning of this branch's existence. Then again, I never went looking for such a thing since, despite maintaining the deployment of 1300 ports on 130 servers [from a seat on a golf cart during the trips between the front and back nine], I so very seldom stumble upon a failure in ports HEAD that isn't fixed within mere moments or that I can't conveniently back-burner and have solved for me over the course of a day by a quick holler to the helpful and friendly folk on freebsd-ports@, but I guess that's just me.

FWIW, I only use 9.2 in production and I do share your underlying sentiment that 9.2 should still be the release marked "Production" and 10.0 should have been marked "New Technology" at least until 10.1. I think I recall the issue that triggered this long and windy thread was clang related. At least FreeBSD has notoriously thorough and long-lived legacy support.

FWIW, in my job I still use the old pkg_ tools, don't need portmaster, poudriere or any of that young punk noise, just the base tools with an occasional dash of svn. I've never felt an uncomfortable stampede of masses forcing my grumpy old self onto newer and better tech before I was good and ready for it, like happens to me while involved with many of the various types of Linix deployments I maintain, though the fear of such a thing happening to FreeBSD has always been real, what with the rapid pace of its development happening these days along with some people's ever-present nagging to "keep up with the Linuxes" regarding this or that latest shiny red button.

FWIW, and I believe it's worth a lot, on the two VM's I fiddle with 10.x on, I've found all of the new tools to be relatively easy to learn, well engineered, well maintained and [for better or worse] rapidly evolving, only not quite as well tested as I might like, and on that last point I can concede that I understand the OP's pain.

I, for one, would like to thank all of the devs at FreeBSD for creating and maintaining the smoothest, most flexible and overall best operating system I've ever had the pleasure of working with. I am very much looking forward to deploying 10.1 on almost every one of the production systems I maintain and I'm confident that when 10.x is granted that .1 badge by release engineering that I will confidently and smoothly be able to. I can't imagine where I'd be in a rigid world of only the fractured Linux fiefdoms, oligarchies and hipster drum-circles. Probably dead under a bridge with a needle in my arm, a gun in my mouth, a noose around my neck and an empty bottle of pills laying beside me.

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