reason 23 why we've moved to linux

Fernando Apesteguía fernando.apesteguia at
Sat Mar 22 18:57:21 UTC 2014

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Nathan Whitehorn
<nwhitehorn at> wrote:
> On 03/22/14 11:12, Randy Bush wrote:
>> from another team member, also a long time freebsd user of decades
>>      firefox build bombs because something has hardwired gcc47, which is
>>      not installed, so firefox's ./configure bombs testing hello world.
>>      Attempting to figure out what has hardwired gcc47 quickly leads down
>>      an entire separate /usr/ports/Mk/ file full of the usual garbage,
>> none
>>      of which actually says gcc47.   Presumably it is somehow inheriting
>>      from /usr/ports/lang/gcc's version (as opposed to
>>      /usr/port/lang/gcc4[69] -- this machine happens to have gcc46
>>      installed).
>>      This is as far as I got before giving up in disgust.  Maybe they'll
>>      sort it out by the time I care.  Or maybe I'll wipe and Ubuntu.
>> essentially, from a user perspective, the ports have become kiddieville,
>> with no testing or seeming adult supervision.  if you're just trying to
>> get your work done, freebsd ports have become toxic.
>> randy
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> This is actually a serious problem, not just for Randy, but for many people.
> I've stopped updating machines because it is impossible to trust that ports
> actually works -- and has been impossible to do so for a year now. I realize
> that a lot of feature changes have been required for modernization (staging,
> for example), but the pace has been relentless enough that things just don't
> work the majority of the time. Ports used to be one of FreeBSD's great
> strengths -- now it is driving people away. This is not anecdotal and not a
> limited problem.
> At least testing branches would be appreciated.

Something like ivoras@ suggested two years ago?

> -Nathan
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